Putin schools Obama, Kerry and Clinton like the four year old's they are. (regime, radical)
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He did, you know it, so stop with the feigned ignorance.
In 2011, Iraq was well on it's way to being a safe secure country, 0bama and his admin were even bragging about how much better it was in Iraq.
All 0bama had to do was keep sufficient stay behind forces to help guide Iraq. But he chose to let the SOFA run out so he could pull out our forces to keep his damn campaign promise.
Just go back and read the speeches made by Obama and Biden and their White House spokesman, they praised themselves and the progress and safety and security in Iraq before he padded himself on the back for pulling out all our troops.
Biden Feb 2010: "I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration. You're going to see 90,000 American troops come marching home by the end of the summer. You're going to see a stable government in Iraq that is actually moving toward a representative government."
Denis McDonough, (Deputy National Security Advisor) Oct 2011: "President Obama congratulated Prime Minister Maliki and the people of Iraq for getting to this momentous moment; and when, importantly, Prime Minister Maliki congratulated President Obama and our troops and our diplomats for all they’ve done.
So when the President laid out a vision for the future of Iraq in February 2009 down at Camp LeJeune -- many of you were there -- he said what we’re looking for is an Iraq that’s secure, stable and self-reliant, and that’s exactly what we got here. So there’s no question this is a success."
Contrast and compare what we have today. That's why we keep stay behind forces in countries like South Korea, Germany, Japan, etc... when they are going thru this fragile state of transition. What do you think would have happened to Germany if we had pulled out completely in the 1950s?
You can't compare those countries to Iraq, completely different situation. If nothing else the last 2 elections were about getting troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, congress was not going to approve leaving 10,000 combat troops in Iraq not if they wanted to get reelected.
Maybe 10,000 troops make some difference but you can bet your paycheck that the first time a soldier is killed or captured there would be criticism of the president, not to mention that many troops wouldn't make much of a difference in a countries the size of Iraq and Syria.
The military experts stated that the Iraquis were ready to defend their country, we had been training them for almost a decade, best equipment and then....The South Koreans are a brave top notch soldiers, they are willing to die to defend their country and that is the difference.
So how long do we remain in a country that places religion above common sense, 5 years, 20 year and how many more Americans need to die defending a country that is unwillin gto defend itself.
You must have posted the wrong article, where does he indicate that a democracy can't exist under a Muslim?
You left he was speaking to the UN, not the US but if you're tossing a round blame you left a few people out of your title like Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush.
I guess anihilating a few million of his own people passes as stability, give us credit for helping ISIS on their way, supporting Assad then not suppporting Assad but this is a ridiculous artilce. Why were we to blame for a Syrian civil war that we stayed out of for the most part, or maybe we should have invaded yet another country.
Tough to take Putin seriously when he was responsile for invading 3 countries in the last few years in an attempt to annex them. He's criticizing the US now, where have his military forces been for the last 2 years, maybe he should have went to Syria instead of invading Ukraine.
US and the West provoked the coup d'etat in Ukraine, by funding nationalists organizations. Russia cannot sit and see how those Banderian savages will massacre the russians in Crimea and Donbass like they did in WW2. In Georgia, it was also provoked by the West. Saakashvili attacked Tzhinvali with Grads, and killed 10 russian soldiers.
I don't know about third country you are talking about.
Right wingers fawning over the "decisive" actions of an undemocratic, nationalist? Why fetch my fainting couch! Just shocking!
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
You can't compare those countries to Iraq, completely different situation. If nothing else the last 2 elections were about getting troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, congress was not going to approve leaving 10,000 combat troops in Iraq not if they wanted to get reelected.
Maybe 10,000 troops make some difference but you can bet your paycheck that the first time a soldier is killed or captured there would be criticism of the president, not to mention that many troops wouldn't make much of a difference in a countries the size of Iraq and Syria.
The military experts stated that the Iraquis were ready to defend their country, we had been training them for almost a decade, best equipment and then....The South Koreans are a brave top notch soldiers, they are willing to die to defend their country and that is the difference.
So how long do we remain in a country that places religion above common sense, 5 years, 20 year and how many more Americans need to die defending a country that is unwillin gto defend itself.
He's also completely ignoring the fact that the Iraqis wanted us out. One of their conditions for the US keeping troops in the country beyond Bush's negotiated deadline was that US soldiers accused of a crime would be held in Iraqi jails and tried in Iraqi courts. It was a poisoned pill proposition that the Iraqi leadership knew we'd never allow.
Putin is reeling from those sanctions; seeking compromise now
We can be sure of one thing: Whatever narrative Republicans have on what Putin said or meant, you can bet that the OPPOSITE is closer to reality than not.
US and the West provoked the coup d'etat in Ukraine, by funding nationalists organizations. Russia cannot sit and see how those Banderian savages will massacre the russians in Crimea and Donbass like they did in WW2. In Georgia, it was also provoked by the West. Saakashvili attacked Tzhinvali with Grads, and killed 10 russian soldiers.
I don't know about third country you are talking about.
Russia didn't like the replacement of power in Ukraine when Vikto Yanukovych was removed, they did not want to see Ukraine taking any steps to associate with the EU.
This is EXACTLY what many Dems said and still say in their criticism of W Bush's Iraq invasion.
But now, since Pootsie said it in apparent affront to Obama, they seem to forget ever saying that and instead attack the messenger, starting up with the false Poostsie-love narrative again.
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Originally Posted by turkey-head
If right-wingers love Putin so much, why don't they move to Russia like the traitors they are?
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Originally Posted by saltine
So your cool with what the last 2 administrations have done in the middle east?
The mindless O-cult can't take any criticism of their messiah. To do so means you're a Pootsie-lover in their simplistic, one-track minds.
Can't help compare the academic, theoretical, theartrcial rhetoric ,the bewildered and confused and self contradictory obama spews forth to Putin's pragmatic propaganda lies that stand directly opposed to obama's.
Putin is a doer while obama is a sayer. Obama is a Euro Brussellian bag of wind and Putin knows it.
Obama is the school yard safety patrol reading the rules to the schoolyard bully, while the bully beats up a 2nd grader and takes his lunch money. Obama turns and walks away feeling he has done his best and in the future the bully might reconsider his actions.
In your analogy, the bully Putin picks up a couple of juvenile offenses on his way to an adulthood in and out of the state penitentiary. Meanwhile, the safety patrol student goes on to have a successful career.
Ukraine, the Baltic States, and the rest of Eastern Europe are pushed towards the West by Russian action in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Putin is playing checkers, in the proverb, while Obama is playing chess.
Syria is less clear at this point. Everyone is, de facto, supporting Assad. The question will be what happens when ISIS is on its last legs. The real fight is between Iran on the one side and Saudi Arabia/Turkey on the other. Russia and Iran are the only ones with something to lose--Assad has consistently been on their side; a paradigm change harms their position and strengthens the US/Saudi Arabia/Turkey. If Assad remains, the status quo holds--Russia and Iran avoid losing and US/Saudi/Turkey simply don't win.
In your analogy, the bully Putin picks up a couple of juvenile offenses on his way to an adulthood in and out of the state penitentiary. Meanwhile, the safety patrol student goes on to have a successful career.
Ukraine, the Baltic States, and the rest of Eastern Europe are pushed towards the West by Russian action in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Putin is playing checkers, in the proverb, while Obama is playing chess.
Syria is less clear at this point. Everyone is, de facto, supporting Assad. The question will be what happens when ISIS is on its last legs. The real fight is between Iran on the one side and Saudi Arabia/Turkey on the other. Russia and Iran are the only ones with something to lose--Assad has consistently been on their side; a paradigm change harms their position and strengthens the US/Saudi Arabia/Turkey. If Assad remains, the status quo holds--Russia and Iran avoid losing and US/Saudi/Turkey simply don't win.
Obama is trying to overthrow Assad.
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Putin is reeling from those sanctions; seeking compromise now
Putin schools Obama, Kerry and Clinton like the four year old's they are.
