More Non-Existent Voter Fraud Turns Up in Virginia (elections, county, elect)
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The mass conspiracy theory, unless you are paying someone off that would get out. Then it becomes an organized crime. RICO anyone.
What do you mean "mass conspiracy theory"?
Have you ever volunteered for a candidate? I bet you haven't; otherwise, you'd see how many people voluntarily give up their time, and money, to help get someone elected. Do you really think it would be a stretch for a group of them to get together and do this?
The 2008 Alaska House Of Representatives District 7 race was decided by a single vote.
In 1974, the New Hampshire senate seat (yes, the one for the US Senate) was decided by two votes.
In 2004, the Washington governor's race was decided by 133 votes.
Sorry, but votes matter.
Edit: I just saw this:
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
Please explain how 17 votes affected the election.
Where I live, without voter ID, it would be very easy to commit voter fraud without being detected.
First, you go look up the names of people in different voting precincts through their addresses. You simply pick out the precincts that you want to vote in, and then grab 4 or 5 names that live on streets in those precincts that have lived there the last three years.
If they are not registered, it's fairly certain that they don't vote.
You then register them. They'll get the registration card in the mail and most likely throw it away or put it in a junk drawer.
Come earlier voting, you go to the polls and say you are that person and you lost your registration card. They will allow you to vote.
If you get 9 other people to do this with you and hit 10 precincts in the same district and you have 100 votes in that district. In a runoff, where you typically get about 5% turnout, that is a huge number of votes, especially when your are talking about a house seat or a local race.
Not one of those votes will ever turn up as a fraudulent vote, and the only way to stop them is with making ID's mandatory (as they are now in Texas).
Lovely fantasy.
Now explain how the people in the OP's link would have been caught by having to present voter ID.
Now explain how the people in the OP's link would have been caught by having to present voter ID.
It wouldn't have made a difference in the OP's story; however, I wasn't specifically addressing it, which is why you won't find a quote from him or any other post in my post.
However, voter ID and fraudulent votes effecting elections were both topics that were discussed as part of the ongoing debate which makes my post relevant.
It wouldn't have made a difference in the OP's story; however, I wasn't specifically addressing it, which is why you won't find a quote from him or any other post in my post.
However, voter ID and fraudulent votes effecting elections were both topics that were discussed as part of the ongoing debate which makes my post relevant.
Relevant to what? Not to this thread, since even you concede that IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE OP'S STORY.
I remember the last story I read on this topic. It was republicans voting twice. Sigh. Look this is not that complex, find the people and charge them. Put them in prison and carry on. If we need a solution start throwing technology at it like automated fingerprint scanners. (Allow exceptions for those missing fingers.)
If this is indeed true it is a problem. 17 votes doesn't mean much, but it still should be fixed. With that being said an ID wouldn't have fixed this problem, and that is where the disconnect comes into play. Voter fraud is not going to be solved by ID. The biggest issue to fixing voter especially on a case like this is fixing the voter rolls.
If this is indeed true it is a problem. 17 votes doesn't mean much, but it still should be fixed. With that being said an ID wouldn't have fixed this problem, and that is where the disconnect comes into play. Voter fraud is not going to be solved by ID. The biggest issue to fixing voter especially on a case like this is fixing the voter rolls.
This is so. Voter rolls are full of mistakes, mostly dead folks and folks who have moved, as well as numerous folks named Robert Lee Smith, several of them with the same birthdate. In large jurisdictions, it would take a fulltime department with a dozen employees whose only job is to keep track of everyone who died or moved, from those moving out-of-state to those moving between precincts. Is this a big enough problem to spend millions of dollars on?
The only way out of this is to require a national ID tracking system, which would require every person to report their physical address as well as other identifying characteristics, in order to sort out the Robert Lee Smiths. And of course even that system would make a lot of mistakes, as anyone who has dealt with a credit report mistake can tell you. I dunno about you, but that seems to me to be using an elephant gun on a stray cat. Not to mention the Big Brother issues. I suspect that's where we're headed anyway, but I am fortunate to be old enough that I won't live to see it.
I remember the last story I read on this topic. It was republicans voting twice. Sigh. Look this is not that complex, find the people and charge them. Put them in prison and carry on. If we need a solution start throwing technology at it like automated fingerprint scanners. (Allow exceptions for those missing fingers.)
So you're fine with automated fingerprint scanners, but not photo IDs? Okay...
This is so. Voter rolls are full of mistakes, mostly dead folks and folks who have moved, as well as numerous folks named Robert Lee Smith, several of them with the same birthdate. In large jurisdictions, it would take a fulltime department with a dozen employees whose only job is to keep track of everyone who died or moved, from those moving out-of-state to those moving between precincts. Is this a big enough problem to spend millions of dollars on?
The only way out of this is to require a national ID tracking system, which would require every person to report their physical address as well as other identifying characteristics, in order to sort out the Robert Lee Smiths. And of course even that system would make a lot of mistakes, as anyone who has dealt with a credit report mistake can tell you. I dunno about you, but that seems to me to be using an elephant gun on a stray cat. Not to mention the Big Brother issues. I suspect that's where we're headed anyway, but I am fortunate to be old enough that I won't live to see it.
Again, you're okay with a national ID tracking system, but not states requiring photo IDs? It still seems like the easiest system to me.
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