Canada to Putin: Geography lesson, learn it! (world)
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Countries are simply lines on a map. In many cases, there are no geographical markers for the boundary between countries other than what humans have constructed(IE a fence). The country of Ukraine didn't even exist prior to 1917. By 1920, it had been gobbled up by Poland and the Soviet Union, where it would remain effectively a non-country till 1991.
In fact, if we were to take a snapshot of the territorial borders of Europe from 100 years ago, most of the countries we know today, didn't even exist.
Even more, there are secessionist movements in practically every country on this Earth. In Eastern Ukraine, ethnic Russians outnumber ethnic Ukrainians in many areas. In the city of Donetsk, nearly 90% of the population speaks Russian as their first language. For the Donetsk Oblast(IE province) ~75% speak Russian, for the Luhansk Oblast ~70% speak Russian.
This idea that once a border is drawn on a map that the country is "forever", or that no one outside of that country has any right to intervene is nonsense. We don't even believe that. America intervenes in practically every country on this Earth. Whether it is assisting governments that are there or supporting rebels by supplying them arms and advisers. Trust me, there is a 100% chance that America is already heavily involved in the Ukrainian conflict, and was probably providing significant funding for the Euromaidan protests.
What should be done about Ukraine? I always tilt towards self-determination and/or independence. I don't want Russia to annex Eastern Ukraine, but I also don't believe that Kiev has the right to rule a region of the country that doesn't want to be ruled by Kiev.
I would bet if the people there were given the option between remaining part of Ukraine, to be annexed by Russia, or to have full independence, that they would choose full independence. The problem is, Ukraine refuses to just let them go. Which leaves them with only one other option, to make a deal with the Russian devil.
If Russia ends up annexing parts of Ukraine, the blame is on Ukraine, not Russia. Kiev not only illegally and violently overthrew its elected government through the US of right-wing paramilitary groups. But is using violence to repress those who refuse to recognize what is effectively an illegal government in Kiev. As much as I dislike Russia, I would be extremely happy if the violent Ukrainian nationalists overthrow of a legitimate government with the blessing of "The West", ends up backfiring on them.
As the saying goes, Violence begets violence. Or as Jesus Christ would say, those who live by the sword, die by the sword.
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If Russia ends up annexing parts of Ukraine, the blame is on Ukraine, not Russia. Kiev not only illegally and violently overthrew its elected government through the US of right-wing paramilitary groups. But is using violence to repress those who refuse to recognize what is effectively an illegal government in Kiev........
So, when Putin said the government that was just recently elected was one he would recognize, and that he let the elections occur without incidence, he was supporting those "US right-wing paramilitary groups"?
I'd hate to see Monsanto get its clutches on Ukraine.
"Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych abruptly halted talks on steering Ukraine into the European Union after it became clear to him that the position of Ukraine as the “bread basket” for eastern Europe, including Russia would be harmed by European Union trade deals that would open up Ukraine’s wheat fields to Monsanto’s adulterated wheat crops. Russia, in particular, saw the EU deal with Ukraine as threatening its economic survival."
"Whereas Ukraine is eastern Europe’s breadbasket, Thailand is Asia’s “rice bowl.” Yingluck has made several statements that any agreement on a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free trade zone must take into account the needs of Thailand’s farmers, who serve as the bed rock of popular support for Yingluck’s “Red Shirt” movement. After Yingluck came to the defense of Thailand’s farmers, who would oppose any attempt by Monsanto to introduce genetically-modified rice to the country (which previously occurred with Haiti, which saw its rice industry decimated), pro-royalist “Yellow Shirt” protesters took to the streets of Bangkok."
I'd hate to see Monsanto get its clutches on Ukraine.
"Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych abruptly halted talks on steering Ukraine into the European Union after it became clear to him that the position of Ukraine as the “bread basket” for eastern Europe, including Russia would be harmed by European Union trade deals that would open up Ukraine’s wheat fields to Monsanto’s adulterated wheat crops. Russia, in particular, saw the EU deal with Ukraine as threatening its economic survival."
"Whereas Ukraine is eastern Europe’s breadbasket, Thailand is Asia’s “rice bowl.” Yingluck has made several statements that any agreement on a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free trade zone must take into account the needs of Thailand’s farmers, who serve as the bed rock of popular support for Yingluck’s “Red Shirt” movement. After Yingluck came to the defense of Thailand’s farmers, who would oppose any attempt by Monsanto to introduce genetically-modified rice to the country (which previously occurred with Haiti, which saw its rice industry decimated), pro-royalist “Yellow Shirt” protesters took to the streets of Bangkok."
...there is a 100% chance that America is already heavily involved in the Ukrainian conflict, and was probably providing significant funding for the Euromaidan protests..
Great job googling, you can always find someone that agrees with your opinion. Finding a legitimate news source is another story.
What is a legitimate news source?
Let me guess... The one that no matter what accuses Russia?
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Seems like you are spending a lot of time trying to justify the invasion of a foreign country by Russia.
I don't have to justify the invasion of Ukraine by Russia because there was no invasion.
I am just sincerely trying to get people think unbiased, unprejudiced, fairly and logically. But with no luck.
Can you please answer me why is Putin allegedly doing this? What's the point for Russia to "invade" Ukraine quarreling with the West? And who benefits from the situation for real?
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