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Old 04-25-2014, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Nah, just a little ethnic cleansing. A few hundred thousand Kosovar Albanians driven from their homes, but hey - 1389!
You have that backwards. It was the Albanian backed KLA who ethnically cleansed 250,000+ Kosovo-Serbs from their homes, and it was these Muslim terrorists that the US and NATO supported by killing even more Kosovo civilians.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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So it's the Americans and the Russians that should be ashamed of how they treated prisoners in WW2 instead of the Germans?
It's quite amazing how Americans seem to always deflect any and all responsibility for their bad deeds by comparing them to someone else's bad deeds. That is the typical child's defence for wrong doing and thankfully most of us advance beyond that childish state.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Texas
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NATO agression is not justify Milosevic's crimes, but do you know that kosovars killed a lot of serbians and thousands of them had to run from their homes because of it?

Maybe NATO responded to Milosevic's "ethnic cleansing."

Just think how many of those thousands would still be alive if he hadn't started his program of mass executions.

You have a strange bias. You forgive Milosevic or, at least, choose to ignore his crimes. But you focus intensely on the NATO response to those crimes. Yet somehow you separate the cause and effect as if they're unrelated.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:12 PM
 
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It's quite amazing how Americans seem to always deflect any and all responsibility for their bad deeds by comparing them to someone else's bad deeds. That is the typical child's defence for wrong doing and thankfully most of us advance beyond that childish state.

It's quite amazing that you think anyone gives two craps about your Nazi father-in-laws experiences in WW2 at the hands of big bad Americans.


By the way, this thread is about NATO. Do you want to know what country is apart of NATO? CANADA.

Take responsibility for your actions, eh?
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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It's quite amazing how Americans seem to always deflect any and all responsibility for their bad deeds by comparing them to someone else's bad deeds. That is the typical child's defence for wrong doing and thankfully most of us advance beyond that childish state.
It's amazing how some people don't understand what they read and make assumptions. I never said the US isn't responsible for what we do. However, I find the outrage laughable coming from the German side of WW2. That is about the most absurd case of hyprocrisy I've ever seen. Even if you feel that way, you would be well served not to voice it because it looks ridiculous to the rest of the world. The Germans in WW2 are one of the worst cases of abusing people in history.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:30 PM
 
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You have that backwards. It was the Albanian backed KLA who ethnically cleansed 250,000+ Kosovo-Serbs from their homes, and it was these Muslim terrorists that the US and NATO supported by killing even more Kosovo civilians.
There was never as many as 250,000+ Serbs in Kosovo in the first place. The UNHCR estimated less than 60,000 at the height of the fighting between KLA and the Yugoslav Army. Compare and contrast the 800,000 or so displaced once the Serbs got the upper hand.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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with whatever due respect is due, a decendant of a nazi warrior might ought to reconsider dredging that old wound up to point out how evil the nazi "enemies" were....


just saying....
You maybe "just saying", But your just saying clearly illustrates the entire point about Americans I was trying to illustrate in my OP. My father in law was in no way a Nazi. In fact he really hated the Nazis. He was just a soldier that had no choice at all in the matter of being in the German army. Do you suppose that he fought the entire war on the eastern front in Russia by choice?

You must either have a very poor reading comprehension or like putting words into others mouths because I NEVER said anything about "how evil the Nazi enemies were". Being an enemy of the Nazis was and still is today a very good thing. However being an enemy of the Nazis in no way at all absolves you of your own evil doings that are your own responsibility. Whether or not you are an enemy of whoever is completely irrelevant as any kind of justification for your OWN bad actions.

Treating enemy prisoners as if they were Nazis personified is typical American behaviour. Just search this board for the number of Americans who hate all Muslims. You now treat or at least suspect all Muslims are terrorists. During the cold war you hated Russians. The average Russian person was just the same as you or I. All he wanted was some security of life, food shelter and clothing and the political actions of his government had absolutely nothing to do with him. Even the Communists were smarter than that. During the darkest days of WW2 the Russian government NEVER EVER blamed the German people for anything. It was the Nazis who were responsible, not the people. Stalin understood that perfectly. His own people did exactly what he ordered them to do or they died. PERIOD.
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:36 PM
 
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You maybe "just saying", But your just saying clearly illustrates the entire point about Americans I was trying to illustrate in my OP. My father in law was in no way a Nazi. In fact he really hated the Nazis. He was just a soldier that had no choice at all in the matter of being in the German army. Do you suppose that he fought the entire war on the eastern front in Russia by choice?

You must either have a very poor reading comprehension or like putting words into others mouths because I NEVER said anything about "how evil the Nazi enemies were". Being an enemy of the Nazis was and still is today a very good thing. However being an enemy of the Nazis in no way at all absolves you of your own evil doings that are your own responsibility. Whether or not you are an enemy of whoever is completely irrelevant as any kind of justification for your OWN bad actions.

Treating enemy prisoners as if they were Nazis personified is typical American behaviour. Just search this board for the number of Americans who hate all Muslims. You now treat or at least suspect all Muslims are terrorists. During the cold war you hated Russians. The average Russian person was just the same as you or I. All he wanted was some security of life, food shelter and clothing and the political actions of his government had absolutely nothing to do with him. Even the Communists were smarter than that. During the darkest days of WW2 the Russian government NEVER EVER blamed the German people for anything. It was the Nazis who were responsible, not the people. Stalin understood that perfectly. His own people did exactly what he ordered them to do or they died. PERIOD.
"It's quite amazing how ___________ seem to always deflect any and all responsibility for their bad deeds"
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:38 PM
 
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Treating enemy prisoners as if they were Nazis personified is typical American behaviour. Just search this board for the number of Americans who hate all Muslims. You now treat or at least suspect all Muslims are terrorists.
That's just Glitch on this thread...
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Old 04-25-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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15 years ago NATO started bombing Yugoslavia.
What do you think about these crimes now?
The Serbian crimes reached a point where the international community had no choice but to step in.
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