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Old 12-10-2013, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Can't handle the truth so pull out the race card --very predictable (as is any response from the left to this post).




I see the freedom to advocate placing burning tires around the necks of the opposition which included black african groups - what a nice guy.
Assuming that this is true (it is not), let me ask you: how do you feel about those early American revolutionaries that torched American Indian villages, tortured British soldiers...?

Wait, you're going to say that was "different" aren't you?
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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you only see hate against mandela from conservative white males. these blogs are also a joke to cite as a source.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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Che will be a hero to some forever. Same with Mandela.
Che and Mandela...hmmm. An interesting choice for comparison.

Both fought to overthrow dictatorial and oppressive regimes. Both resorted to violence to do so. But in victory one chose show trials and summary executions and the other chose exposing the truth regarding acts committed by both sides as a path for reconciliation.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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Wait, you're going to say that was "different" aren't you?
Actually "YES"

George washington

“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any prisoner. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”

“Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands,’ he wrote. In all respects the prisoners were to be treated no worse than American soldiers; and in some respects, better. Through this approach, Washington sought to shame his British adversaries, and to demonstrate the moral superiority of the American cause.”

BTW..Why don't join Obama's hate America first club you'd fit right in!
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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Actually "YES"

George washington

“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”

“Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands,’ he wrote. In all respects the prisoners were to be treated no worse than American soldiers; and in some respects, better. Through this approach, Washington sought to shame his British adversaries, and to demonstrate the moral superiority of the American cause.”

BTW..Why don't join Obama's hate America first club you'd fit right in!

your boy washington also was a slave owner
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:33 AM
 
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your boy washington also was a slave owner
As well as a lot of Africans.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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As well as a lot of Africans.
quit deflecting and stay on topic. many have called you out on your mistruths in this thread.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:36 AM
 
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quit deflecting and stay on topic. many have called you out on your mistruths in this thread.
Your entitled to your opinion.
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Old 12-10-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Is that your excuse when any black person is celebrated? Must be white guilt, we are celebrating a man who helped overcome segregation in his country. Seriously, give it a rest, we all know you hate Mandela and we all know why you have this hatred towards him.

Well, I don't hate Mandela. But I think he gets waaay too much credit. In his early days, he was pretty violent and ruthless. Only in later years did he become someone people could admire.


I mean, if you compare say, MLK Jr to Mandela for instance. There really is no comparison. If you compare even another South African, Desmond Tutu to Mandela. I think you'll realize that Mandela falls very short of being someone to admire.


The only thing truly great that Mandela actually did. Was be humble after he was released from prison, and to serve one term as president. I mean, he was an unimportant figure. He spent three decades in prison. While others actually overthrew the apartheid government. The only reason he was even elected, was because he was turned into a martyr for the cause.

He was made a symbol for a cause. He was not the cause. And while he was in prison, his wife basically supported necklacing.

Seriously, Mandela is not a great man. And should not be heralded as such.
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Old 12-10-2013, 12:15 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Actually "YES"

George washington

“Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any prisoner. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.”

“Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hands,’ he wrote. In all respects the prisoners were to be treated no worse than American soldiers; and in some respects, better. Through this approach, Washington sought to shame his British adversaries, and to demonstrate the moral superiority of the American cause.”

BTW..Why don't join Obama's hate America first club you'd fit right in!
As many here are certainly well placed in the "Hate Obama, What Are We Talking About?" club, eh?
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