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Old 11-13-2013, 08:08 PM
 
Location: The High Plains
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You`re gonna take away benefits from well off Republicans and Democrats that have paid into these programs for 40 or so years? That`s funny. No one takes the corporate funded propaganda machine called the heritage foundation seriously anymore and haven`t for a couple of decades at least. This is nutty stuff they`re proposing.
These programs...social security in particular...we're initially created as social insurances to safeguard against poverty. If people are wealthy...they shouldn't receive benefits...means testing is simple and makes sense to shore up the program. What else do you find "nutty?" The plan shores up balance sheets lomg term...something obamas projections fail to do...I'm not sure how that's nutty.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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These programs...social security in particular...we're initially created as social insurances to safeguard against poverty. If people are wealthy...they shouldn't receive benefits...means testing is simple and makes sense to shore up the program. What else do you find "nutty?" The plan shores up balance sheets lomg term...something obamas projections fail to do...I'm not sure how that's nutty.
How do you explain the fact we have more poverty now then before these programs?
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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You know, once a upon a time, Heritage Foundation actually talked about reversing the nanny state. All it does now is talk about how to make it a little more affordable.

For the life of me, I just can't imagine how this appeals to anyone, except party goons and policy wonks.
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Old 11-13-2013, 09:54 PM
 
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These programs...social security in particular...we're initially created as social insurances to safeguard against poverty. If people are wealthy...they shouldn't receive benefits...means testing is simple and makes sense to shore up the program. What else do you find "nutty?" The plan shores up balance sheets lomg term...something obamas projections fail to do...I'm not sure how that's nutty.
It's not just nutty, it's WHOLLY INSANE to try to "shore up" rank stupidity.

It's time to END all of these things.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:02 PM
 
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You know, once a upon a time, Heritage Foundation actually talked about reversing the nanny state. All it does now is talk about how to make it a little more affordable.

For the life of me, I just can't imagine how this appeals to anyone, except party goons and policy wonks.
I agree with you. (Wow!)
Nothing here but the same rewarmed ideas the HF has had for the last decade. No Republican seeking election will ever endorse any of this, especially the changes to Social Security and Medicare.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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You know, once a upon a time, Heritage Foundation actually talked about reversing the nanny state. All it does now is talk about how to make it a little more affordable.

For the life of me, I just can't imagine how this appeals to anyone, except party goons and policy wonks.
But the reality is the nanny state will never ever be abolished and with that in mind the only thing that is left is too propose reforms. I am with you I would love nothing better then the federal gvt getting out of the nanny state bussiness. And leaving it too the states if they so choose to have their own social programs with their own rules and regulations. But then there is reality.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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These programs...social security in particular...we're initially created as social insurances to safeguard against poverty. If people are wealthy...they shouldn't receive benefits...means testing is simple and makes sense to shore up the program. What else do you find "nutty?" The plan shores up balance sheets lomg term...something obamas projections fail to do...I'm not sure how that's nutty.
Are you in the Heritage foudation proposing the wealthy to continue paying into the system but not being elligible to recieve benifits? If so I call BS, if we are means testing them the wealthy should not have to put in one red cent. I am for the idea if that is the case and against if it is not.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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Heritage is a rightwing organization. That alone tells me their plan sucks
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Heritage is a rightwing organization. That alone tells me their plan sucks
Really? Well we have seen American liberalism fail epicly with the unaffordable health care act. Along with almost every other program, ideal, and view point.
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Old 11-14-2013, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Maui County, HI
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So much for keeping your insurance...
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