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Old 09-10-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Solyndra is a terrible scandal, because the private sector never ever puts money into ventures that end up failing:
I said nothing of scandal. I just wanted to know what the return on investment the government got from Solyndra. Can you please answer the question?
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Really? A good idea after all


sheesh. How short sited


We would of profit more if we would of let the forest burn down, and thousans of new smaller trees grown up where these deadly giants used to grow. Now we got banks that are soo big and no smarter than they were when they ruined the economy
That argument doesnt even make sense because what you are proposing did indeed happen and new smaller trees did not grow up.

Hundreds of banks went bankrupt or where on the verge and they either died out or got bought up by larger more stable ones.

Industry is not comparable to trees in the forest, it is more like the animals that live in the forest, the bigger stronger ones survive.

And no, the government would not have made more profit if they had let them fail. By the definition of the word profit, they would have made none.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I do, Solyndria was not a bad investment at the time, the company had a plan that more than 50 people in both Administrations signed off on, then circumstances changed as did the market.

By the way, they never saw all of that 500 million dollars.
I really don't care. The fact is (1) the government shouldn't be involved in "investing" like this and (2) profitability of said action is irrelevant in trying to prove that the government should be involved.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:11 PM
 
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Solyndra is a terrible scandal, because the private sector never ever puts money into ventures that end up failing:
In the private market, nobody is forced into poor, irresponsible investments. There is a difference in reckless spending in the public and private markets.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I really don't care. The fact is (1) the government shouldn't be involved in "investing" like this and (2) profitability of said action is irrelevant in trying to prove that the government should be involved.
Then that is what you should be arguing, but you didnt. You asked if we thought it was a good investment.

If you are going to argue one way or the other, stick to it, dont change it up when someone actually answers your question.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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That argument doesnt even make sense because what you are proposing did indeed happen and new smaller trees did not grow up.

Hundreds of banks went bankrupt or where on the verge and they either died out or got bought up by larger more stable ones.

Industry is not comparable to trees in the forest, it is more like the animals that live in the forest, the bigger stronger ones survive.

And no, the government would not have made more profit if they had let them fail. By the definition of the word profit, they would have made none.
That is exactly what has been happening for decades -- big banks swallowing smaller ones, forming banks too big too fail.

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I really don't care. The fact is (1) the government shouldn't be involved in "investing" like this and (2) profitability of said action is irrelevant in trying to prove that the government should be involved.
The purpose was to save the banking system so we didn't have a repeat of October 1929 and the Great Depression. The fact that the government not only recovered all the money but earned a profit is a very good thing, regardless of conservative sour grapes crying.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Then that is what you should be arguing, but you didnt. You asked if we thought it was a good investment.

If you are going to argue one way or the other, stick to it, dont change it up when someone actually answers your question.
Um, where did I change my argument? I asked a question, that none of you want to answer, and then said the government shouldn't be involved with these types of investments. That isn't an argument change at all.

Also, no one answered my question. No one has said "it was a bad investment." I want someone from the left to acknowledge that it was a bad investment. Really, is that so hard?
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:17 PM
 
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Glass Steagall wouldnt have stopped the crisis so that argument is based on a false premise. It would have only stopped a specific portion of it.
It would have been far smaller.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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That is exactly what has been happening for decades -- big banks swallowing smaller ones, forming banks too big too fail.

The purpose was to save the banking system so we didn't have a repeat of October 1929 and the Great Depression. The fact that the government not only recovered all the money but earned a profit is a very good thing, regardless of conservative sour grapes crying.
No it really isn't. The government shouldn't be using tax money to invest in the stock of private companies. It shouldn't be taking risks like that.
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Old 09-10-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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That argument doesnt even make sense because what you are proposing did indeed happen and new smaller trees did not grow up.

Hundreds of banks went bankrupt or where on the verge and they either died out or got bought up by larger more stable ones.

Industry is not comparable to trees in the forest, it is more like the animals that live in the forest, the bigger stronger ones survive.

And no, the government would not have made more profit if they had let them fail. By the definition of the word profit, they would have made none.
The big banks got even bigger and were then protected in the future for their bad investments with Dodd/Frank. Now if they fail they simply take your money directly as opposed to using the government as the middle man.
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