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Old 07-20-2013, 01:01 PM
 
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It's not...we have a black nationalist President and AG right now.
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Old 07-20-2013, 04:47 PM
 
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Read "The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich". Then you'll know why nationalism is frowned upon. But I doubt it.
There is good nationalism and bad nationalism. Perhaps you could acquaint yourself with the difference.
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Old 07-20-2013, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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There is good nationalism and bad nationalism. Perhaps you could acquaint yourself with the difference.
if its anything that stops of the progress of the globalist its always bad, always.

People are by and large waking up to the failure of Internationalism, Globalist, and are taking back to nationalist. tribalism and ethnocentrism, as they should.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Japan
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I dunno, if Germany started to build up military power I would wager that the USA would get mad. Its almost certain he will win his next election and change the constitution. This will allow Japan to once again amass military sources.
Germany already spends more on its military in per capita and percentage of GDP terms than Japan does. But yes, I think your general observation that German nationalism is on a tighter leash is accurate. That's because of the holocaust and the level of Jewish influence in the West. If China ever gains a similar level of infulence over what is said about history then we may see an equalizing of taboos on nostalgia for Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. That seems to be the direction we're headed in anyway.
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Old 07-21-2013, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Better half of PA
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There is good nationalism and bad nationalism. Perhaps you could acquaint yourself with the difference.
Oh, you mean Patriotism? Yea, that's ok to me.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:17 AM
 
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Oh, you mean Patriotism? Yea, that's ok to me.
Those with the agenda that I spoke of call Patriotism towards our country which is a good thing as being Nativist a negative thing. They want to change the demographics, identifying culture and language of our country.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:36 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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You would think, the USA rules and runs the world....
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Missouri
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Nationalism, along with religion, is one of the great unifiers and motivators of a group of people. It's potential for mass devastation, as shown from the French Revolution to the end of the cold war, is well documented, also.

Try to control it, direct it, use it to your bidding? Try to grab a tiger by its tail.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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The Wild Card - By Kirk Spitzer | Foreign Policy

"What the nationalists want is to take Japan back to some utopian vision of the 1930s that never really existed....He raised eyebrows further when he led "Banzai" cheers for the emperor and empress during a Sovereignty Day ceremony in April, drawing a look of surprise -- if not outright disapproval -- from the imperial couple." -Foreign Policy Magazine



Countries like Japan and China are highly nationalistic and think they are the superior nation. Abe yelling Banzai is like Merkel yelling Sieg Heil...China has the exact same thing -wansui which holds a similar connotation to thousand year reich (10,000 year kingdom). Yet, the world doesnt give a **** when Japan does it. If Merkel were to ever deny Germany's role in WW2 like Abe denies Japan's role, the west would go bat**** crazy...


Why is there such a hypocritical taboo on nationalism on the west? Why can other nations, who have caused the greatest atrocities in history glorify the "good ole days?" But a Greek Soccer player can't even do a Roman Salute?
Thanks for posting an interesting article. It caused me to investigate this guy a bit further.

I think few people are very aware of Japanese history, economic system or culture. Japan is very Nationalistic and always has been - Japanese society is linguistically and culturally homogeneous, composed of 98.5% ethnic Japanese. Very few foreigners live there and they don't really want any - which is going to be a problem for them. The population is aging and the young people have problems. Over 30,000 suicides a year, for the past 12 years. Many are not getting married and have no interest in having a family. The Japanese live longer than any other country - they already have trouble finding enough workers.

Back to Prime Minister Abe - he truly believes in Japanese Exceptualism and that Japan had nothing to apologize for after WWII. He was very close to his Grandfather, who was a High Minister during the War and a Political operative. Grandpa managed to escape War Crimes trials and become a 2 time Prime Minister after a lot of political party meshing. He was very hawkish and very in favor of War, he advised the Emperor to not surrender. [b]The Showa Period (period of Radiant Japan) in Japan was advertised as a "period of enlightened peace/harmony". The reality was different - The Shōwa period was longer than the reign of any previous Japanese emperor. During the pre-1945 period, Japan moved into political totalitarianism, ultranationalism and fascism culminating in Japan's invasion of China in 1937. This was part of an overall global period of social upheavals and conflicts such as the Great Depression and the Second World War. Grandpa was a big part of this - the Japanese (those that disagreed with him) dubbed him "devil Showa" after the war.
Nobusuke Kishi

From the very day that Japan's post war Constitution was written - Grandpa wanted a couple of parts of it "changed" - his Grandson (PM Abe, pronounced A Bee) has taken up that banner.

So ..... what's this really all about? Abe wants the Constitution changed from a 2/3 vote in each House of Parliament & by the public .... to a simple majority to make any changes to the Constitution. His party (started by his Grandfather) has led Japan for all but a few years since the war ..... if he can push this through (and everyone thinks he can because the population is very apathetic & his party is the most powerful) - Abe can literally do anything. This is about POWER and it's going to be about MONEY. Those two always are connected.

The biggest (that probably needs to be changed) issue with Japan's constitution is that it doesn't allow for redistricting based on population changes. The net effect of this is that rural Japan has out-sized political influence on the country, because they had a larger relative population in 1945! This is part of the reason Japan's politics are so dysfunctional. These "rural" areas are remnants of the old Samurai holdings from the Feudal times (which are most of their history). Fiefdoms that sorta still exist because of their voting power.

It's doubtful that anyone has to worry about a "war mongering" Japan again - the Japanese people have no interest in that and I bet the Military doesn't either. On the other hand - the Japanese economy is basically in the hands of 7 groups (the definitely have a different system) and the kind of political power that Abe is after - simple majority votes - could really cause some major changes in Japan.

Not a good time for an Apathetic Japanese public. There is a danger to "one party" rule in any Society, it becomes even more dangerous when they start talking about "Constitutional Change" (removing protections) - combine that with apathy and you could have a disaster on your hands. Japan forgets that Abe's Grandfather was a big fan of totalitarian rule, and that Abe is a big fan of Grandpa.
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Old 07-21-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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The Wild Card - By Kirk Spitzer | Foreign Policy

"What the nationalists want is to take Japan back to some utopian vision of the 1930s that never really existed....He raised eyebrows further when he led "Banzai" cheers for the emperor and empress during a Sovereignty Day ceremony in April, drawing a look of surprise -- if not outright disapproval -- from the imperial couple." -Foreign Policy Magazine



Countries like Japan and China are highly nationalistic and think they are the superior nation. Abe yelling Banzai is like Merkel yelling Sieg Heil...China has the exact same thing -wansui which holds a similar connotation to thousand year reich (10,000 year kingdom). Yet, the world doesnt give a **** when Japan does it. If Merkel were to ever deny Germany's role in WW2 like Abe denies Japan's role, the west would go bat**** crazy...


Why is there such a hypocritical taboo on nationalism on the west? Why can other nations, who have caused the greatest atrocities in history glorify the "good ole days?" But a Greek Soccer player can't even do a Roman Salute?
Why is yelling Banzai different than Sieg Heil?

Why are you pretending that the Greek soccer player wasn't giving a nazi salute?

I think you're being a bit disingenuous here. Beyond that, people are more cognizant of the holocaust than they are of the Japanese atrocities.
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