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Old 06-10-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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I want openness. FOIA requests should not be ignored and shouldn't have to go through the court system.
When one is held accountable then one is more apt to be honest.
From my experience dealing with FOIA, it's like a person who recently became disabled and can not work due to a disability filing for Social Security disability benefits, they always, always reject initial requests, sometimes more than two or three times, that's why it is sometimes necessary to hire an attorney to file a lawsuit to get the information. Government is not all that cooperative, not at all, and not all of the time.

If people don't like the FOIA, they can appeal to their lawmakers and request the law/ruling of 1966 be repealed. But if that happens, people shouldn't be complaining that there's no openness in government.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Proof?



You might be, because this is not in the article either. Want to back up that number?



Not in the article either, care to tell us which are extremists groups?

It seems that all these claims are just coming out of your butt...do you even care about any sort of truth?



As they should.
Senators Call Out the EPA For Leaking Private Info of Farmers to Radical Environmental Groups - Katie Pavlich
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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From my experience dealing with FOIA, it's like a person who recently became disabled and can not work due to a disability filing for Social Security disability benefits, they always, always reject initial requests, sometimes more than two or three times, that's why it is sometimes necessary to hire an attorney to file a lawsuit to get the information. Government is not all that cooperative, not at all, and not all of the time.

If people don't like the FOIA, they can appeal to their lawmakers and request the law/ruling of 1966 be repealed. But if that happens, people shouldn't be complaining that there's no openness in government.
There's been a 22% rise in rejections due to "national security".
The creep is there and those words are slowly eroding any openness and transparency in how our government works.
Appealing "national security" won't cut it.


FOIA Requests Being Denied More Due To Security Reasons Than Any Time Since Obama Took Office
"I find myself stuck in a paradoxical situation in which I cannot solve a problem because of contradictory constraints and rules – a veritable Catch-22," the judge wrote. "I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws, while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret."
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by EmeraldCityWanderer View Post
Proof?



You might be, because this is not in the article either. Want to back up that number?



Not in the article either, care to tell us which are extremists groups?

It seems that all these claims are just coming out of your butt...do you even care about any sort of truth?



As they should.
Senators Call Out the EPA For Leaking Private Info of Farmers to Radical Environmental Groups - Katie Pavlich

EPA confesses to handing out farmers’ personal information to activist-lawyers. | RedState

Rep: EPA Illegally Released Family Farmers' Info to Environmental Extremists

good enough? 30 seconds to find and there is many many more violations by the EPA
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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So EPA accidently releases information, oh the horror...must start an investigation, even though they ignored it till almost 2 years later.

Credit card companies and banks release information...eh, too bad for the consumer.

HIPPA covers medical records.

No wonder there's outrage from people who are too ignorant to know what the living hell they are talking about.
Since you brought it up, I wonder how effective HIPPA will be when the IRS takes over Obamacare.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But, but..it was all an "accident", wasn't it ?
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Since you brought it up, I wonder how effective HIPPA will be when the IRS takes over Obamacare.
Mandated electronic medical data

Nah..the NSA won't grab that.

There's been a reason why everything's been moved to electronic format.
And "convenience" isn't #1 on that list.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Pa
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But, but..it was all an "accident", wasn't it ?
Sort of like the accident of falsifying evidence to deny permits.
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Old 06-10-2013, 12:40 PM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
There's been a 22% rise in rejections due to "national security".
The creep is there and those words are slowly eroding any openness and transparency in how our government works.
Appealing "national security" won't cut it.


FOIA Requests Being Denied More Due To Security Reasons Than Any Time Since Obama Took Office
"I find myself stuck in a paradoxical situation in which I cannot solve a problem because of contradictory constraints and rules – a veritable Catch-22," the judge wrote. "I can find no way around the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws, while keeping the reasons for their conclusion a secret."
My experience predates 9/11/01, so I can't imagine how difficult it must be trying to extract information now, it must be like pulling hen's teeth.

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Mandated electronic medical data

Nah..the NSA won't grab that.

There's been a reason why everything's been moved to electronic format.
And "convenience" isn't #1 on that list.
Well, I know that reasoning/excuse won't fly in a court of law. I know of a private party who tried to extract public records from a city and the technician lied and said he would need to change the MS format, but as it happened, the person was a PC expert on MS forensics and called the guy out on it, and he still refused until a case was filed in federal court.
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Old 06-10-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Now if we could just get all the private information of all the radical environmental groups to all the farmers, that would seem fair. And all the private information of the EPA personnel as well, while we are at it.
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