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Old 04-23-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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This is true. The National Firearms Act should be constitutionally invalidated for just this reason.

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.................... and they never could have forseen jet aircraft, tanks, aircraft carriers, nukes and rocket launchers.

The goal of the founding fathers was to create parity between the arms of the citizens and the government. Currently, we, as citizens, are in a much more disadvantageous position to resist the government than were citizens of the late 1700s.

Given that, the founding fathers would probably be shocked that citizens are prohibited, by the government, from owning many types of weapons.

If the founding fathers wanted the citizens to be less well armed than the government, the 2nd amendment would have been the right to bear bows and arrows or stones, not firearms. Wake up.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Anchorage Suburbanites and part time Willowbillies
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Under american law, the laws that come later, have precident.

We passed a law creating prohibition, then we repealed it.. The laws that come LAST are the most relevant
Yes, Prohibition was a constitutional amendment. (NOT part of the Bill of Rights), and it was repealed.

Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Twenty-first Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Second Amendment is still the “law” of the land as it has not been repealed or changed and thus the most relevant. (And upheld by the US Supreme Court).
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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You're joking, right?

I firmly believe that you have the right to marry who you choose, screw who you choose, and do whatever else that does not infringe on my rights.

Just keep me totally out of the equation.

In other words, exercising your rights also includes taking responsibility for the results.
Excercising your rights also included taking responsibility for your results.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Anchorage Suburbanites and part time Willowbillies
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No doubt. But the articles written first indicate the the purpose of the 2nd amendment (written by the same people who wrote the articles) was to have a militia to protect the government, not the other way around.

In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment "codified a pre-existing right" and that it "protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home"[9][10] but also stated that "the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose". They also clarified that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court are consistent with the Second Amendment.[11]
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:20 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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One mans "insurrection" is anothers "resistance". Resistance to opression is NOT insurrection. If the government tries to declare a coup, it is our duty, as the militia, to resist the usurping of our rights. The militia also has a duty to support the government, should it be required for the common defense, i.e., an invasion by a foriegn power, OR, a genuine insurrection, with a domestic power, with a goal of tyranny as its aim. It all goes to the "common defense" . To fight for our rights, our freedoms, our homes and families. Against ALL enemies, foriegn and domestic.
Why would a democratically elected Republican government declare a coup?
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:21 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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No doubt. But the articles written first indicate the the purpose of the 2nd amendment (written by the same people who wrote the articles) was to have a militia to protect the government, not the other way around.
The militia (or the people) were meant to protect the people from invaiders or an over reaching federal government.

The constitution was meant as a limit to government not a limit of people.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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Did you miss the equal protection part of the 14th amendment?
Um, that deals with people who are going to court because they are being charged with a crime

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

You cant pick 6 words of a sentence and pretend its the point..
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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No doubt. But the articles written first indicate the the purpose of the 2nd amendment (written by the same people who wrote the articles) was to have a militia to protect the government, not the other way around.
On the contrary, it specifically states,

The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:28 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Um, that deals with people who are going to court because they are being charged with a crime

nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

You cant pick 6 words of a sentence and pretend its the point..
I bolded the important part for you. The government cannot create a system that gives benifits to one group (hetero) and not give those same benifits to another group (homo).

You could make an argument, which I support, but would never happen, that the government should be involved in marriage to begin with. Marriage is a religious instatution binding two individuals together under god. It shouldn't come with tax breaks either, nor should having children for that matter.
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Old 04-23-2013, 03:37 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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On the contrary, it specifically states,

The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms
And unlike every other right protected by the constitution, this one has a contingency: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,"

Once a well regulated Militia is no longer necessary, it becomes moot, unlike inalienable rights that have no contingency.
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