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Old 03-24-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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No doubt about it. Ike was the best GOP prez in the past 100 years. And maybe the best of either party.
Best of both parties in the last 100 years? Possibly - definitely a contender. But I'd probably put FDR at the top of my list. Among Republican presidents of the last century, no question - Ike was it. I'd vote for him any day.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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The GOP’s confidence gap over the deficit, in 3 charts

An interesting development - and a blow for the party which used to own "fiscal responsibility" like the family pet. By a margin of 53% to 39%, the survey's respondents have more confidence in the President than GOP leaders to deal with the deficit.

To be fair, to some extent this is probably just a reflection of what Gene Healy calls "the Superman Presidency", or the American habit of secretly preferring benevolent dictatorship: we have become accustomed to looking to the presidency as the solution to all our problems and regarding Congress as little more than a confederacy of criminals.

But even if those numbers are modified slightly to account for the "Superman effect", that's still quite a margin, a real testament to the failed extremism of the modern GOP, and probably not news to make Reince Preibus' heartburn go away.
Very few people actually like the conservative party.

I'd say a majority of the people who vote for conservatives are voting against the Democratic party and Democratic voters.

I think hatred for millions of other Americans and identifying the Democratic party as representing those hated groups is the main motivation for most conservative voters.

The majority of conservative voters when asked specifically about many policies don't support the conservative party position. So their support of the conservative party is not based on public policy.

So it is not surprising that the public trusts President Obama on the budget.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Best of both parties in the last 100 years? Possibly - definitely a contender. But I'd probably put FDR at the top of my list. Among Republican presidents of the last century, no question - Ike was it. I'd vote for him any day.
I think it's tough to compare Ike's presidency to FDR's because the 20 years separating them were such vastly different circumstances. Regardless, FDR belongs up there.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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I think it's tough to compare Ike's presidency to FDR's because the 20 years separating them were such vastly different circumstances.
Very true - which always makes these "best of" presidential rankings basically silly. But still.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Columbus, OH
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Best of both parties in the last 100 years? Possibly - definitely a contender. But I'd probably put FDR at the top of my list. Among Republican presidents of the last century, no question - Ike was it. I'd vote for him any day.
FDR presided of 12 years of economic misery and got involved in the most devastating war in world history.

I have no idea why anyone thinks he was a good president. He was probably the worst.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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The GOP’s confidence gap over the deficit, in 3 charts

An interesting development - and a blow for the party which used to own "fiscal responsibility" like the family pet. By a margin of 53% to 39%, the survey's respondents have more confidence in the President than GOP leaders to deal with the deficit.

To be fair, to some extent this is probably just a reflection of what Gene Healy calls "the Superman Presidency", or the American habit of secretly preferring benevolent dictatorship: we have become accustomed to looking to the presidency as the solution to all our problems and regarding Congress as little more than a confederacy of criminals.

But even if those numbers are modified slightly to account for the "Superman effect", that's still quite a margin, a real testament to the failed extremism of the modern GOP, and probably not news to make Reince Preibus' heartburn go away.
You can't fix stupid.
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Very few people actually like the conservative party.

I'd say a majority of the people who vote for conservatives are voting against the Democratic party and Democratic voters.

I think hatred for millions of other Americans and identifying the Democratic party as representing those hated groups is the main motivation for most conservative voters.

The majority of conservative voters when asked specifically about many policies don't support the conservative party position. So their support of the conservative party is not based on public policy.

So it is not surprising that the public trusts President Obama on the budget.
Do you trust Obama on the budget? Did you believe him when he said health insurance premiums would drop under Obamacare? LOL!
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