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Old 03-19-2013, 10:20 AM
 
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I hear from some people on the right, that the problem is that you guys haven't elected a true conservative the past two elections? Why is that? You are the voters, why didn't people back that "bat**** crazy" michelle bachman, or rick perry, or whatever other tea party republican that was up for the nomination? Why is it, that a moderate has gotten the nomination the last two elections?
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: The Brat Stop
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I hear from some people on the right, that the problem is that you guys haven't elected a true conservative the past two elections? Why is that? You are the voters, why didn't people back that "bat**** crazy" michelle bachman, or rick perry, or whatever other tea party republican that was up for the nomination? Why is it, that a moderate has gotten the nomination the last two elections?
As a democrat, I can tell you that part of the reason is because of a divide in the R party. Some want to be as conservative as is possibly appealing to the masses of voters, but then you have the newly elected hard line conservatives trying to steer the R party in a different direction, and want nothing to do with a moderate.

Romney was their only front man for 2012, and had McCain not chosen Palin in '08, he might have had a chance. That was evidenced when we watched both of them campaigning, they were not on the same page with each other. Palin was appealing to the hard liners, and agreeing with throngs of people who believed Obama wasn't a US Citizen, while McCain was taking a more moderate and logical position in another location.

What killed Romney's chances of getting elected was his tendency to flip flop on issues important to women and minorities.

And now the future. Does anyone really believe hard liners like Paul have a chance? Does anyone want another Bush in the White House? I think not. The R party had better start doing some fancy footwork if they want to even have a chance for 2016. I don't believe America is ready for a independent yet.

But, if you think Bush 41 or Reagan were true conservatives, you could be wrong on that. Both raised taxes, and that's a no no for conservatives nowadays.

PolitiFact Virginia | Rep. Gerry Connolly says Reagan raised taxes during five years of presidency

Read my lips: no new taxes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I hear from some people on the right, that the problem is that you guys haven't elected a true conservative the past two elections? Why is that? You are the voters, why didn't people back that "bat**** crazy" michelle bachman, or rick perry, or whatever other tea party republican that was up for the nomination? Why is it, that a moderate has gotten the nomination the last two elections?
B/c everytime they hear a true Conservative speak they realize how bat-chit crazy a true Conservative is. Then when the reasonable Conservative loses, that replaces their memories of true Conservative bat-chit craziness. Rinse, repeat.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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What killed Romney's chances of getting elected was his tendency to flip flop on issues important to women and minorities.
Flip: I will veto any legislation that tried to stop sequestration
Flop: We have to stop this... it's the republicans fault

Flip: middle class Americans will not pay one more dime in taxes.
Flop: oh yea that, I lied

Flip: Al-quaeda is on the run
Flop: and they are charging the U.S.

Flip: I will close gitmo in a year
Flop: And it remains open
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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I hear from some people on the right, that the problem is that you guys haven't elected a true conservative the past two elections? Why is that? You are the voters, why didn't people back that "bat**** crazy" michelle bachman, or rick perry, or whatever other tea party republican that was up for the nomination? Why is it, that a moderate has gotten the nomination the last two elections?
Too many people have bought into your nanny state mentality for enough responsible people with principles to get elected.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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As a democrat, I can tell you that part of the reason is because of a divide in the R party. Some want to be as conservative as is possibly appealing to the masses of voters, but then you have the newly elected hard line conservatives trying to steer the R party in a different direction, and want nothing to do with a moderate.
As a Democrat, your view of true conservatives is exactly worthless except as an indicator of which misperceptions we need to counter. (and I mean worthless to the right wing - I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinions)
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Romney was their only front man for 2012, and had McCain not chosen Palin in '08, he might have had a chance. That was evidenced when we watched both of them campaigning, they were not on the same page with each other. Palin was appealing to the hard liners, and agreeing with throngs of people who believed Obama wasn't a US Citizen, while McCain was taking a more moderate and logical position in another location.
Yes, one progressive supports another. Democrats, always trying to get us to "moderate" in their direction. If we agreed with progressivism, then we'd be progressives. We're never going to support your authoritarian government. It just ain't gonna happen.
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What killed Romney's chances of getting elected was his tendency to flip flop on issues important to women and minorities.
As I said, your Democrat opinion means nothing. Every Democrat on C-D with an opinion on what Republicans should do always says something that boils down to "Be more like us"
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And now the future. Does anyone really believe hard liners like Paul have a chance? Does anyone want another Bush in the White House? I think not. The R party had better start doing some fancy footwork if they want to even have a chance for 2016. I don't believe America is ready for a independent yet.
Yes, it is going to take some work to remove the claws you've sunk into American's flesh and heal the wounds you've caused.
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But, if you think Bush 41 or Reagan were true conservatives, you could be wrong on that. Both raised taxes, and that's a no no for conservatives nowadays.
There is no such thing as a "true" conservative. It's simply a label applied to one end of the political spectrum here. And even if there were, you've demonstrated repeatedly on C-D that what your idea is of what constitutes a "true" conservative would be nowhere near reality. And for my part, I don't pretend to pontificate on what a "true" liberal is. Many Democrats' idea of what a "true" conservative is changes depending on whether they want to get a policy passed (true conservatives are intelligent moderates who will compromise with us) or want to win an election (true conservatives are religious zealots who want the poor to suffer and blacks to be slaves again)
No mention of how Democrats strongarmed both Reagan and Bush Sr into those tax hikes. The first, by promising to cut spending more than taxes were raised and then reneging on that promise, and the second by refusing to pass any budget unless taxes were raised and threatening the same government shutdown that Democrats today call Republicans "obstructionist" for doing. So pardon me if I don't take your biased view of the right wing seriously.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Someplace Wonderful
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Wow, right out of the gate you start with your name calling. a sure sign that your question is insincere at best, and more likely that you are just another liberal-left moron who not only cant, but really doesn't want an honest discussion.

PS you dont know jack about the tea party movement other than what your puppet masters tell you to think.

When you grow up, and have done a little reading and thinking for yourself, come back and ask the question like an adult, not a snotty nosed left wing mind numb robot.

Ta ta.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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I despise John McCain. I wish he'd disappear from the political scene forever. I get nauseated thinking about his candidacy for President.

Mitt Romney, while not a hardcore conservative, was a good candidate given the fiscal crises the United States finds itself in. Did I expect him to uphold many of the conservative ideals that I uphold? Absolutely not. But money and finances trumps everything at the end of the day. The United States needed someone who would focus like a laser on our financial well-being. What we got is a man who has stated forthright that he has no desire whatsoever to balance the budget or otherwise reign in government spending.

We do, in fact, need a true fiscal conservative to save this nation.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Wow, right out of the gate you start with your name calling.......you are just another liberal-left moron ....... a snotty nosed left wing mind numb robot.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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As I said, your Democrat opinion means nothing. Every Democrat on C-D with an opinion on what Republicans should do always says something that boils down to "Be more like us"
Yes, it is going to take some work to remove the claws you've sunk into American's flesh and heal the wounds you've caused.
lol, isn't it funny how Democrats (crying that they are poor) think they know what should be done to run this country. They couldn't even make a way for themselves yet they know how to run a whole damn country. And if you want to cry it isn't fair... News flash, life will never be fair. It's up to you to make your own way.

If you want to remain poor, follow the democrats. or... you could follow the money!
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