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Except Socialism and Fascism are on separate axis.
The two axis are from...
Authoritarianism-Anarchism
Communism-Capitalism.
Agreed - it's a 4 pointed square.
Authoritarianism is really what people are afraid of - and some graphs show people like Virgil Goode to be very high up that table, quite close in fact to Hitler and Stalin.
Ghandi was technically a socialist - so who would you fear most , him or Josef?
I don't know why so many people hate socialism so much, especially the milder forms of it
Never did much wrong in Europe until the Conservatives took over.
It depends where along the continuum (sp) socialism is. We all like a social safety net, but the state should not be involved in business affairs and I think that is the line.
It depends where along the continuum (sp) socialism is. We all like a social safety net, but the state should not be involved in business affairs and I think that is the line.
The state should INDEED be involved.
We need anti-trust laws so that no one becomes to big to fail.
We need the courts, so we could sue if businesses do environmental or similar type of damage.
I don't know why so many people hate socialism so much, especially the milder forms of it
Never did much wrong in Europe until the Conservatives took over.
People hate socialism because it violates the constitution, is incompatible with the founding values of the United States, often leads to tyranny, and would not work if implemented here in any meaningful way.
The often used arguments about Europe don't make any impression on me. I don't care what they do in Europe. If Denmark is happy with socialism, fine. I'm happy that they're happy. But that doesn't mean I want to implement it here.
Something that is apparently lost on a lot of liberals is that many of us conservatives actually do believe in the constitution. It's not a joke. We're not just playing around about it. We're serious. That means if something is a wonderful idea and would work well and solve a problem but would violate the constitution, then we don't want it. Violating the constitution is a deal breaker that cancels any other consideration.
The state should INDEED be involved.
We need anti-trust laws so that no one becomes to big to fail.
We need the courts, so we could sue if businesses do environmental or similar type of damage.
Well, yes I agree, but I was talking more along the lines of subsidies, special tax treatment, and protectionist actions.
Originally Posted by Kenneth-Kaunda how about corporate welfare and bailouts - that's also undemocratic.
Corporate bailouts and welfare is not real socialism - it's part of the capitalist order.
These big banks are making private profit, to enrich the owners, managers, associates, shareholders - all of whom could be entirely foreign.
What amount of this wealth goes back to enriching the nation?
Not a great deal, and when we consider the amount of personal gain the elite make from this practice it is easy to see how corrupt the whole set-up actually is.
Corporate bailouts are corporatism. Corporatism is not part of the capitalist order. It is a corruption of it.
Corporate bailouts are corporatism. Corporatism is not part of the capitalist order. It is a corruption of it.
But, extreme capitalism IS corruption. Extreme capitalism is essentially the fact that money can buy ANYTHING.
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