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Old 04-29-2023, 08:06 AM
 
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1) California has many socially conservative minorities and conservative whites; it's only fiscally left wing with some pockets of truly "progressive" areas

2) New England is quite religious and traditional and in certain ways socially conservative, though it's also tolerant. Ditto with the Upper Midwest.

3) The Pacific Northwest could better be described as libertarian with green leanings and has more religious and right wing people than you would think.

4) The Mid-Atlantic also votes "liberal" largely because of socially conservative/fiscally liberal minorities.

5) Oregon, one of America's most liberal states, is more likely to support conservative US presidential candidates than Canada's "red" province, Alberta

What do you think? Would you basically agree that aside from some small pockets around city cores and college campuses, the United States is pretty much right wing everywhere relative to other First World countries?
I travel every inch of this country and I’ve found what you’re describing to be absolutely true. There’s only little pockets here and there were things are very liberal. In fact I literally have to go out of my way in about 99% of the landmass country area if you know what I’m saying, to even find anyone who is a Biden supporter. It almost seems as though we’re being completely duped. By a handful of people who want to control things. People are mad. They’re mad everywhere. They don’t like anything that’s going on. I know that’s not a scientific way to look at things or analyze voting etc, But the vast majority of this country and I’m talking like 95% of it? It’s not OK with what’s going on.
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Old 04-29-2023, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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I travel every inch of this country and I’ve found what you’re describing to be absolutely true. There’s only little pockets here and there were things are very liberal. In fact I literally have to go out of my way in about 99% of the landmass country area if you know what I’m saying, to even find anyone who is a Biden supporter. It almost seems as though we’re being completely duped. By a handful of people who want to control things. People are mad. They’re mad everywhere. They don’t like anything that’s going on. I know that’s not a scientific way to look at things or analyze voting etc, But the vast majority of this country and I’m talking like 95% of it? It’s not OK with what’s going on.
Thankfully, land doesn't vote. People do. And there are more of us than you.
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Old 04-29-2023, 08:44 AM
 
Location: West Midlands, England
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Funny thing is current democrat party would be considered centre-right in majority of Europe. Those who claim socialism is taking over have no clue about what socialism is..
What about Bernie Sanders though?
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Old 04-29-2023, 08:52 AM
 
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Funny thing is current democrat party would be considered centre-right in majority of Europe. Those who claim socialism is taking over have no clue about what socialism is..
^^ This.

Many use the term because they believe it's divisive, and at the same time don't understand the meaning, the history, and lack a solid point of reference for context.
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Old 04-29-2023, 08:57 AM
 
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There are only small pockets that are liberal. These liberal pockets are often dense population centers and thus, exert quite a bit of influence over mainly conservative fly-over states
I'd argue it's the other way around. Having two senators per state gives the deep-red rural states a considerable advantage in representation.
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Old 04-29-2023, 08:58 AM
 
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Funny thing is current democrat party would be considered centre-right in majority of Europe. Those who claim socialism is taking over have no clue about what socialism is..
The term has lost all meaning in US debate.
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Old 04-29-2023, 08:59 AM
 
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".....some pockets of truly "progressive" areas" make decisions for the entire State.
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Old 04-29-2023, 09:02 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Funny thing is current democrat party would be considered centre-right in majority of Europe. Those who claim socialism is taking over have no clue about what socialism is..

I know exactly what it is:

1) any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

2) a system of society or group living in which there is no private property.

3) a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.




And that is exactly where we are going unless we can get a group of people in power that has the balls to stop it.
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Old 04-29-2023, 09:46 AM
 
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1) California has many socially conservative minorities and conservative whites; it's only fiscally left wing with some pockets of truly "progressive" areas

2) New England is quite religious and traditional and in certain ways socially conservative, though it's also tolerant. Ditto with the Upper Midwest.

3) The Pacific Northwest could better be described as libertarian with green leanings and has more religious and right wing people than you would think.

4) The Mid-Atlantic also votes "liberal" largely because of socially conservative/fiscally liberal minorities.

5) Oregon, one of America's most liberal states, is more likely to support conservative US presidential candidates than Canada's "red" province, Alberta

What do you think? Would you basically agree that aside from some small pockets around city cores and college campuses, the United States is pretty much right wing everywhere relative to other First World countries?
It all depends on YOU definition of "liberal"!
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Old 04-29-2023, 10:48 AM
 
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I know exactly what it is:

1) any of various egalitarian economic and political theories or movements advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.

2) a system of society or group living in which there is no private property.

3) a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.




And that is exactly where we are going unless we can get a group of people in power that has the balls to stop it.
Nonsense. Property has been moving into the hands of the Very Rich at an accelerating pace over the last two decades. We're headed for new Gilded Age, if not already there.
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