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The anti-gun lobby has, in fact brought it up. The fact is that regardless of specific source, ultimately, all guns involved in crimes began life as a legal weapon.
I've heard that mentioned in passing, but mostly in reference only to private sales, and even that has been in large part drowned out with "assault weapon" nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
You havn't debunked anything, just ignoring the existing facts, your responses are essentially the government shouldn't be given anything, because it impinges on the rights of law abiding gun owners. Tell me what is the purpose of the Tiahrt Amendment, what does it accomplish, why is the ability to trace guns used in crimes back to dealers a bad thing.
There's nothing impeding the "ability to trace guns used in crimes back to dealers" on an individual basis. When a gun is used in a crime, it is easily traced from manufacturer to dealer to buyer.
The fact that NCIS background check records are destroyed is not relevant.
The problem, from my understanding, and I haven't done all the research, is that it's difficult for the ATF to investigate certain patterns of behavior by dealers, which was related to one of the points in your previous post.
You havn't debunked anything, just ignoring the existing facts, your responses are essentially the government shouldn't be given anything, because it impinges on the rights of law abiding gun owners. Tell me what is the purpose of the Tiahrt Amendment, what does it accomplish, why is the ability to trace guns used in crimes back to dealers a bad thing.
It's a bad thing because the dealer should not be responsible for the said crime.
Before the Tiahrt, ATF had released to the public records of more than 2 million crime guns traced from the manufacturer to the first retail purchaser. This piece of information has NO bearing in the crime after the purchase unless it is illegal purchase.
Neither the dealer nor the manufacturer should be liable even if the purchaser walks out of the door and starts to murder everybody. Why should they be liable after they have conformed with every piece of law?
Your so called Mayors Against Gun Violence is nothing bunch of ill-intended people trying to ban guns. Since outright banning guns is difficult, it's easier for them just sue the dealers and manufacturers out of business.
Tiahrt Amendment is a great piece of legislation that protects the rights of law abiding citizens.
Most of the guns used in crimes come from licensed dealers, not much we can do about guns stolen from private homes but we can and should do something about dealers.
Another lie from you.
What you said is completely misleading. You are implying that licensed dealers knowingly sell guns to criminals. That is absurd accusation. I do agree there are corrupted dealers but implying most dealers are criminals is absurd!
It's a bad thing because the dealer should not be responsible for the said crime.
Before the Tiahrt, ATF had released to the public records of more than 2 million crime guns traced from the manufacturer to the first retail purchaser. This piece of information has NO bearing in the crime after the purchase unless it is illegal purchase.
Neither the dealer nor the manufacturer should be liable even if the purchaser walks out of the door and starts to murder everybody. Why should they be liable after they have conformed with every piece of law?
Your so called Mayors Against Gun Violence is nothing bunch of ill-intended people trying to ban guns. Since outright banning guns is difficult, it's easier for them just sue the dealers and manufacturers out of business.
Tiahrt Amendment is a great piece of legislation that protects the rights of law abiding citizens.
Most dealers are honest, most will not sell a gun to someone that fails a background check, so why do 60% of the guns used in a crime come from 1% of the dealers. It appears there are few dealers that are the first stop for criminals, how do you address that under current restrictions.
Most dealers are honest, most will not sell a gun to someone that fails a background check, so why do 60% of the guns used in a crime come from 1% of the dealers. It appears there are few dealers that are the first stop for criminals, how do you address that under current restrictions.
Simply go after the straw purchasers. Make straw purchasers liable for the crime committed.
37% of homicide is done without firearms. 50% of homicide is black on black violence. 3% of homicide involves assault rifles.
why the rage towards archie bunker and his bibles and guns?
what am i missing here?
Simply go after the straw purchasers. Make straw purchasers liable for the crime committed.
That doesn't answer the question, why do 60 % of guns used in a crime come from only 1% of the dealers, seems to me that a straw puchaser could go to any dealer but they rather consistently chose 1%, why do you think that is the case.
37% of homicide is done without firearms. 50% of homicide is black on black violence. 3% of homicide involves assault rifles.
why the rage towards archie bunker and his bibles and guns?
what am i missing here?
You don't like to saving children? Is that why you are confused? Only if it saves one child, it's worth it - even though it may kill thousands more but I don't care about that.
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