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To not fight for what he believes in, is to bow to another, and to be forced to kiss a ring.
Umm... you do know the OP, with whom you have seemed to join forces, thinks the entire country should kiss a ring, don't you? The Pope's. He's posted he thinks the Catholic church should be in charge of ALL of us.
Or do you also think we should all be kissing the Pope's ring? If not, you might consider re-thinking your analogies.
When he uses his business, a separate entity from himself, to enforce his beliefs on others, that's foisting.
His business is a thing, it doesn't have any beliefs whatsoever.
The business, Hobby Lobby, pays for the insurance with Hobby Lobby's money.
Mr Green's money is separate from Hobby Lobby's money.
Sure, and in your view, that's foisting or forcing his beliefs on to others. In my view, not paying for items in a HI plan isn't foisting or forcing anything. Has he been or is he being sued by any employees for discriminating based on religion. If as a condition of joining the business insurance plan he required baptism, or wearing a yamulke, or praying 5 times facing Mecca, etc., you'd be in the forcing domain. Selective coverage of HI items is illegal, but doesn't force anything on anyone.
Sure, and in your view, that's foisting or forcing his beliefs on to others. In my view, not paying for items in a HI plan isn't foisting or forcing anything. Has he been or is he being sued by any employees for discriminating based on religion. If as a condition of joining the business insurance plan he required baptism, or wearing a yamulke, or praying 5 times facing Mecca, etc., you'd be in the forcing domain. Selective coverage of HI items is illegal, but doesn't force anything on anyone.
HE isn't paying for the insurance.
Hobby Lobby is paying.
And frankly, Mr Green is driving up the cost of insurance by trying to design a policy that suits his particular agenda, rather than using the standard policy as offered.
And frankly, Mr Green is driving up the cost of insurance by trying to design a policy that suits his particular agenda, rather than using the standard policy as offered.
Green and his family own HL, so he determines how the business spends its money. Following your argument that a business doesn't have beliefs, there's no way HL as a business can foist beliefs on anyone. For all the years HL hasn't covered emergency contraception, you must think it was, or Green was, forcing people to accept his religious views. I think that's a cockeyed view of 'forcing' or foisting,' given all the other options employees have.
The representative and the business are two separate things.
The business may indeed reflect Mr Green's values, within the parameters of the law. If Mr Green believes that women shouldn't cut their hair ...that doesn't mean he can prohibit his female employees from cutting their hair.
But he shouldn't be forced to pay for the haircuts.
Indeed, and if he values his values, and is really committed, he could close the business and put all those people out of work. Now, which is better?
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than it is for a business man to cross over into the Kingdom of Heaven.
It's going to be a sad day for Hobby Lobby, if Mr. Green chooses to shut down his business and put all those people out of work, because he chooses the life of unborn children, over making money for himself and others.
Which is better, the riches of this world, or being welcomed into the Kingdom of Heaven? Hint, we can't take the money with us, as our spirit has no use for it.
When I left this thread this morning to take off for work, I had sometime to think about it. I thought of all the business whose values reflect that of Mr. Green and the possible shut downs across this nation. With a country who is economically on a down poor as it is, well, guess what, it is going to get much worse.
When the Supreme Court ruled to uphold Obamacare, I knew then that the value meter for life, just took a nose dive.
I'm completely free to live my life as I see fit, as long as in the exercise of that freedom I do no harm to others.
And so are you.
Government constraints are considerably less than the constraints imposed by religion.
Just look at the Ten Commandments. How much more restrictive is God, than government.
But you are free to live within the constraints of the Ten Commandments, and any further restrictions that your religious advisers/instructors/mentors tell you that you must live under. You just can't demand that the rest of us live within those constraints. You can limit your actions to whatever morality suits you. But you can't force others to limit themselves according to YOUR morality.
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But you can't force others to limit themselves according to YOUR morality.
Then why is the law, forcing it's morality (rather the lack of) onto the Christian?
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Government constraints are considerably less than the constraints imposed by religion.
Nazi Germany.
PS: swb answered the haircut post.
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