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View Poll Results: Is this appointment a conflict of interest?
Yes, this is a conflict of interest and she should not be appointed 28 71.79%
no, not a conflict of interest and we should embrace this person as head of Family Planning 10 25.64%
don't know 1 2.56%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-04-2008, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Try the correct phrase, pro-choice. I don't want to put anyone in any position they don't want to be in ... I want them to be able to choose.

But you knew that.

Just like you know that it's anti-choice, not pro-life; that's those of you who believe in the right to life until birth.
So the opposite must be anti-life...pro-abortion, right?
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Old 04-04-2008, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I don't think this is a conflict of interest. This woman wants to discourage people from having promiscuous sex...because one of the consequences of that is CHILDREN and STD's...like it or not, sex can create children. Instead of teaching children how to have sex we should let their parents teach them about the value of a sexual relationship within a monogamous relationship. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:19 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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I don't think this is a conflict of interest. This woman wants to discourage people from having promiscuous sex...because one of the consequences of that is CHILDREN and STD's...like it or not, sex can create children. Instead of teaching children how to have sex we should let their parents teach them about the value of a sexual relationship within a monogamous relationship. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not sure how you gathered what her motivations are. It seems to me that she wants to stop providing funding for contraceptives. Contraception is part of adults behaving responsibly. How can anyone be opposed to that?

Or did you (or she) seriously think that people will now, thousands of years after the dawn of man, stop having intercourse for pleasure?
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I'm not sure how you gathered what her motivations are. It seems to me that she wants to stop providing funding for contraceptives. Contraception is part of adults behaving responsibly. How can anyone be opposed to that?

Or did you (or she) seriously think that people will now, thousands of years after the dawn of man, stop having intercourse for pleasure?
I don't think people will stop having intercourse, I think they should have to accept the consequences of their actions.

Why should the government (tax dollars) go towards "responsible" adults engaging in sex acts? I'm opposed to that...so there's at least one person you found. Tax dollars shouldn't go towards condoms or pills for people who choose to engage in those behaviors...
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I don't think this is a conflict of interest. This woman wants to discourage people from having promiscuous sex...because one of the consequences of that is CHILDREN and STD's...like it or not, sex can create children. Instead of teaching children how to have sex we should let their parents teach them about the value of a sexual relationship within a monogamous relationship. Nothing wrong with that.
It goes beyond that.

Ms. Orr does not want health insurance companies to offer birth control scripts and services, i.e. tubal ligations, to their subscribers.


Example:

Mr. & Mrs. X have been married for 12 years. They have three kids. Mr. X has a job with the federal govt. Let's say that his health insurance plan covers birth control pills, devices (i.e. diaphragm), sterilization (tubal ligation, vasectomies). Ms. Orr opposes those services being offered to Mr. and Mrs X because "fertility is not a disease". She opposes birth control period.

Frankly, I think Mr. and Mrs. X should be left alone.

You can tell teenagers what to do all you want...in the end it's a crapshoot. I know because I raised 4 of them.

People like Ms. Orr need to get a life.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:30 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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I don't think people will stop having intercourse, I think they should have to accept the consequences of their actions.

Why should the government (tax dollars) go towards "responsible" adults engaging in sex acts? I'm opposed to that...so there's at least one person you found. Tax dollars shouldn't go towards condoms or pills for people who choose to engage in those behaviors...
I'd rather my tax dollars go to providing contraception than to supporting all the unwanted and unplanned children from cradle to grave. Somehow I think my choice costs the US less than yours.
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Old 04-04-2008, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I'd rather my tax dollars go to providing contraception than to supporting all the unwanted and unplanned children from cradle to grave. Somehow I think my choice costs the US less than yours.
You don't know what my other choices are...

How about ending all entitlement programs?! That would save a lot of money. The Federal government has no business creating these programs; what each state does depends on the voters and its Constitution.
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Old 04-04-2008, 03:40 PM
 
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You don't know what my other choices are...

How about ending all entitlement programs?! That would save a lot of money. The Federal government has no business creating these programs; what each state does depends on the voters and its Constitution.
How about this? Taken from the website:

Budget

Under "Budget"

"The Title X Family Planning program ["Population Research and Voluntary Family Planning Programs" (Public Law 91-572)], was enacted in 1970 as Title X of the Public Health Service Act. Title X is the only federal grant program dedicated solely to providing individuals with comprehensive family planning and related preventive health services. The Title X program is designed to provide access to contraceptive services, supplies and information to all who want and need them. By law, priority is given to persons from low- income families.

Is the irony not lost on you?
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Old 04-04-2008, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I don't see any irony. I see tax dollars going down the drain.
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Old 04-04-2008, 08:47 PM
 
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You don't know what my other choices are...

How about ending all entitlement programs?! That would save a lot of money. The Federal government has no business creating these programs; what each state does depends on the voters and its Constitution.
Hear! Hear!
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