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Old 12-26-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: California
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And one late term abortion not done out of medical necessity is one too many.
Bad things happen in this world but you can never prevent someone doing something to themselves. No matter how much you don't like it we can't have 100% compliance on anything via law. You know that right? Zero tolerance doesn't work and trying to get to that point is a futile waste of time and energy. That's why we don't do that, we focus on the majority and call it a win. That's all we can ever do.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:35 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Bad things happen in this world but you can never prevent someone doing something to themselves. No matter how much you don't like it we can't have 100% compliance on anything via law. You know that right?
Obviously. Your point?
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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So "innocent" is based on the idea of "sin", which isn't real. Right off the bat that theory is garbage. The woman had a "choice", well yes, we all do. And being pregnant doesn't change that thankfully. Having sex without pledging to carry and give birth to any pregnancy that may occur, well that's just a world no man would ever allow to be. Prolife or not. And like others pointed out the whole idea of a fetus, zygote, whatever being "innocent" is not a concept we can apply since there is nothing there yet to BE "innocent" in our definition of the word.

Basically it's still punish the woman for daring to have sex by making her carry the pregnancy to term and give birth and either give it away to someone (more deserving no doubt) or raise it without help from anyone but the father who may or may not decide to stick around or even be capable of helping. Quite the conundrum, I'm sure everyone can see why no woman with a brain will ever go for that no matter how many how many emotional string people try to pull or how many "punishment" laws they try to implement.
Now this type of thinking is about 110 percent of what is wrong with this country. The idea that "sin" does not exist or is not real.
No one will give this the least bit of regard, but, it is exactly the fact that so many people do not believe in God, do not think there is such a thing as sin that is causing so many of the problems of this country. Well that and radical feminists.
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:47 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Now this type of thinking is about 110 percent of what is wrong with this country. The idea that "sin" does not exist or is not real.
No one will give this the least bit of regard, but, it is exactly the fact that so many people do not believe in God, do not think there is such a thing as sin that is causing so many of the problems of this country. Well that and radical feminists.
She believes in sin, not in the God sense (probably).

In another thread she condemned the guy who shot the firemen. The only reason for her condemnation is she thinks it's morally wrong to carelessly kill innocent life. She might not want to call it "sin" but a rose in any other name would smell just as sweet.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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Measurable brain activity =/= consciousness. No brain activity, and the vast majority of people would say there is no consciousness but that doesn't mean if there is brain activity there is consciousness. You are conflating a necessary and sufficient condition.

And yes, I used conflating again.I suggest you look it up because like your misuse of other definitions (facts, theories, life, and consciousness) you don't have a full understanding of the term.
Thank you for validating my initial assertion.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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I have two children too, my oldest daughter is 17. You on the other hand haven't made a coherent argument at all in this thread. So again, what proof were you asking for?
Oh my, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:17 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Thank you for validating my initial assertion.
What initial assertion? When do you think signs of brain activity (electrical) begins to show for a fetus?

I'll give you a hint: around 5-6 weeks.

All your articles were dealing with was specific activity and specific development.
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:18 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Oh my, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!
Girl power, sister
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:19 PM
 
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What initial assertion? When do you think signs of brain activity (electrical) begins to show for a fetus?

I'll give you a hint: around 5-6 weeks.

All your articles were dealing with was specific activity and specific development.
It is clear that I am in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. I'll be the bigger (smarter) person here and bow out.

Cheers!
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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It is clear that I am in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. I'll be the bigger (smarter) person here and bow out.

Cheers!
Yes the smart person who doesn't know the difference between facts and scientific theories and misreads articles. But the article had big words, so you feel smart
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