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Old 12-04-2012, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Vital Statistics of Racial and Ethnic Groups

(Births in 2011)

"Non-Hispanic white": 2,150,926 (54.5%)[/b]
"Non-Hispanic black": 583,079 (14.8%)
"Hispanics of all racial groups": 912,290 (23.1%)[/b]
"Asian or Pacific Islander (including of Hispanic origin)": 253,864 (6.4%)
"American Indian or Alaskan Native (including of Hispanic origin)": 46,536 (1.2%)

3,946,695 total (just under 4 million births)

Percentages in parenthesis above
IBM, you never give up, do you? I think we all know this country is still majority white. But, birth data from one year hardly tells the overall story of our population growth. But, then, you already know this. You aren't interested in discussing the racial/ethnic makeup of 2010/2011 births. Your agenda, for some unknown reason, is to minimize Hispanic growth.

Now, let's look at the actual growth during the decade ending 2010, not just 2011 births.

According to the Census Bureau. . . .

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More than half of the growth in the total population of the United States between 2000 and 2010 was due to the increase in the Hispanic population.

The Hispanic population increased by 15.2 million between 2000 and 2010, accounting for over half of the 27.3 million increase in the total population of the United States]. Between 2000 and 2010, the Hispanic population grew by 43 percent, which was four times the growth in the total population at 10 percent.
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-04.pdf
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:12 PM
 
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Well then argue with the dictionary because I got that definition from one of them. Can't recall which one but I am sure they would all give the same definition.

You can rely on the dictionary, but no serious demographer is going to lump Portuguese in with Hispanics.


"Hispanic" comes from "Hispania," which is an ancient name for that area in Iberia, of which Portugal is a part of .... basically Portuguese and Spanish have common ancestry and many cultural and linguistic similarities, but Portuguese and Brazilians should not refer to themselves as "Hispanic"!
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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You can rely on the dictionary, but no serious demographer is going to lump Portuguese in with Hispanics.


"Hispanic" comes from "Hispania," which is an ancient name for that area in Iberia, of which Portugal is a part of .... basically Portuguese and Spanish have common ancestry and many cultural and linguistic similarities, but Portuguese and Brazilians should not refer to themselves as "Hispanic"!
In my opinion, this country should drop the Hispanic term completely. But, now, they're trying to make Hispanic a race, which is nonsense, because any race can be Hispanic. I have never understood why only Spanish-speaking people are considered a "minority" in this country. Citizens of Italian, German, French, or any other lineage aren't classified according to ancestral language and treated as a minority group. Why is Spanish the lone exception?
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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The Hispanic group saw a 23% decline in births.
Specifically from Mexican-born mothers:

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Both foreign- and U.S.-born Hispanic women had larger drops in birth rate than any other group, Pew found. That correlates with larger percentage declines in household wealth for Hispanics than in white, black or Asian households. Among women from Mexico, the country from where the largest number of U.S. immigrants come, the birth rate fell by 23%.


I am personally aware of one of those births to a Mexican-born mother during the covered time frame...
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Specifically from Mexican-born mothers:



I am personally aware of one of those births to a Mexican-born mother during the covered time frame...

A decline in births, yet still unprecedented growth in that particular population. Go figure.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Hispanic means Spanish speaking culture or origin.

Spaniards aren't "Latinos" as that term is used, but you literally cannot have Hispanic culture without Spaniards!
Exactly! The Hispanic culture came from Spain and includes the Spanish language. Many Latinos are of the Hispanic culture because they have Spanish ancestors and Spanish is their primary language.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Hispanic means Spanish speaking culture or origin.

Spaniards aren't "Latinos" as that term is used, but you literally cannot have Hispanic culture without Spaniards!
The Spaniards (in Spain) are not Hispanic/Latino, as you claimes earlier, only those spanish speaking people from S.America and Caribbean are Latin/Hispanic.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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A decline in births, yet still unprecedented growth in that particular population. Go figure.
The drop occurred last year, but the statistics someone offered go back 10 years, so if their numbers were growing fast, it seems like the pace is slowing significantly.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:05 PM
 
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The Spaniards (in Spain) are not Hispanic/Latino, as you claimes earlier, only those spanish speaking people from S.America and Caribbean are Latin/Hispanic.

I didn't claim Spaniards are Latino.

I said they are NOT Latino, as that refers to people from the "new world" Latin cultures. Brazilians are arguably Latino in that respect.

"Old world" Latin cultures include Italian, Spaniards, Portuguese. Arguably a bit of French as well since French is a Romance language.....


But Spaniards ARE Hispanic. Hispanic simply means "Spanish language and culture."
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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IBM, you never give up, do you? I think we all know this country is still majority white. But, birth data from one year hardly tells the overall story of our population growth. But, then, you already know this. You aren't interested in discussing the racial/ethnic makeup of 2010/2011 births. Your agenda, for some unknown reason, is to minimize Hispanic growth.

Now, let's look at the actual growth during the decade ending 2010, not just 2011 births.

According to the Census Bureau. . . .

http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-04.pdf
"Population growth" is not the same as "births"...

But you took this:

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Results from the 2010 Census showed that racial and ethnic minorities accounted for 91.7% of the nation’s growth since 2000. Most of that increase from 2000 to 2010—56%—was due to Hispanics.


And made it into this:

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...the Census Bureau, clearly states that 91.7% of ALL births in this country were "minority" births, of which 56% (the majority) were Hispanic.


I reminded you the differences between "population growth" and "births", yet you still maintained I was wrong. We got some gems out of you, like assuming that the majority of Hispanic births being to illegal aliens, and that "foreign-born" women were illegal aliens. We might be able to continue the discussion to find out what else you can say.
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