Democratic states subsidizing Republican states (insurance, cost, dollars, school)

[TNEC_Dad]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

Flat taxes are economically retarded. Completely economically retarded.

Please elaborate.

[TNEC_Dad]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

As you can see the only major red state which net pays taxes is Texas and it barely pays anything at all. California easily pays 20 times as much in net taxes.

Again, what is your complaint other than trying to make some political statement for a political party?

Maybe you are starting to understand how the "rich" feel about taxes.

[Oldhag1]

On behalf of my pitiful red state, I thank you. Of course, next time you sit down for a meal you might want to be thankful for the cheap food the lowly paid farmers and farm workers of my state provided.

[Randomdude]

Originally Posted by Oldhag1

On behalf of my pitiful red state, I thank you. Of course, next time you sit down for a meal you might want to be thankful for the cheap food the lowly paid farmers and farm workers of my state provided.

Lowly paid farmers...hilarious. Maybe farm workers, but farmers are not low paid.

[TNEC_Dad]

Originally Posted by Randomdude

Lowly paid farmers...hilarious. Maybe farm workers, but farmers are not low paid.

Maybe not in VA Beach, but in other places not many farmers are highly paid.

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Think4Yourself

What a load of bull. As usual the Republicans only want to look at a tiny part of the picture instead of the whole picture. The real picture is very easy to see; all you have to do is tabulate all taxes paid to the Federal government minus all money inflows to the state by the Federal government. Guess what? Blue states foot by far most of the bill while red states are the free loaders who always have their hands out trying to suck up ever more government cheese. Government cheese paid for by the blue states because that's where most of the US economy is.

oh please

challenge: define red state


let's see 'red" state..nc...a DEMOCRAT STRONG HOLD ffor the last 100 years

let's see.. 'blue' state NY...the only thing blue in the state is NYC

the top 15 states in the Nation that consume the MOST in welfare. 13-of-15 are DEMOCRAT states; they went Blue in 2008.

The BIGGEST US WELFARE STATES

–Year Researched Data———2009————-2007————2008———-2009

State——-% of Pop on Welfare—–Spending on Welfare—-Total on Welfare—–Unemp

#1. California……………3.30%………………$3 .28 BILLION………..1,212,893…….11.5%

#2. Maine………………..2.37%……………….$ 61.73 MILLION………..31,148……….8.3%

#3. Tennessee………….2.15%……………..$91.28 MILLION……….133,505……….10.7%

#4. Massachusetts…….2.09%…………….$295.29 MILLION………136,033………8.2%

#5. Vermont…………….2.02%……………..$30.9 2 MILLION………..12,543……..7.3%

#6. Wash DC…………..1.99%……………….$18.67 MILLION………..11,806………..10.7%

#7. New York…………..1.92%………………$1.47 BILLION…………..373,305………8.2%

#8. Minnesota…………..1.88%………………$106 .29 MILLION………98,028…….8.2%

#9. Washington…………1.86%………………$265. 88 MILLION……121,864……..9.4%

#10. New Mexico……….1.83%………………$58.87 MILLION…….36,322…………..6.5%

#11. Indiana……………..1.83%………………..$ 102.27 MILLION…..116,430……….10.6%

#12. Rhode Island……..1.79%……………….$57.4 MILLION…………..18,839…………..12.1%

#13. Michigan…………..1.60%………………..$38 0.93 MILLION……….164,589………14.1%

#14.Pennsylvania……….1.60%………………$ 247.29 MILLION………198,666…………8.2%

#15. Oregon…………….1.55%………………….$ 83.85 MILLION……….58,831………….12.4%




No matter what Ezra “Journolist” Klein writes, the fact that 13 of the 15 states mentioned above who TAKE the most money for WELFARE are BLUE states!!!!

[workingclasshero]

Originally Posted by Fox Terrier

And New Jersey is a very blue liberal state.
How does that equate to your 'tax and spend liberals' assertion?

And, please, we ALL don't have jobs in NYC...

you know, kinda like what the factors are for determining why certain states receive more than they pay out – Military bases, elderly flock more to the South than they are expected to stay in the North when they retire, which effectively means they use more programs like MEDICARE, SS, possible food stamps, etc.

[Oldhag1]

Originally Posted by Randomdude

Lowly paid farmers...hilarious. Maybe farm workers, but farmers are not low paid.

Don't know about where you live, but around here there are many lowly paid farm families. I know, I teach their children.

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by analyze_this

Since Republicans are clamoring for cutting spending, would it not make sense to create a law for every state to keep most if not all their federal taxes collected?


Where federal taxes are raised and spent

SOME American states receive more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes; others receive less. Over twenty years these fiscal transfers can add up to a sizeable sum. From 1990 to 2009, the federal government spent $1.44 trillion in Virginia but collected less than $850 billion in taxes, a gap of over $590 billion.

Have you considered the fact that Virgina is right next to DC and has many federal installations?

If you're going to make a fair comparison you first need to eliminate spending that benefits the entire country. Both military and transporatation which are high ticket items amongst others benefit the entire country. For example the longest stretch of 1-80 runs through Nebraska population less than 2 million, this road runs from San Francisco to NYC.

[Mathguy]

Originally Posted by analyze_this

Since Republicans are clamoring for cutting spending, would it not make sense to create a law for every state to keep most if not all their federal taxes collected?


Where federal taxes are raised and spent

SOME American states receive more in federal spending than they pay in federal taxes; others receive less. Over twenty years these fiscal transfers can add up to a sizeable sum. From 1990 to 2009, the federal government spent $1.44 trillion in Virginia but collected less than $850 billion in taxes, a gap of over $590 billion. But relative to the size of its economy, Virginia derived a smaller benefit from America's fiscal union than states like New Mexico, Mississippi and West Virginia, where the 20-year transfer exceeded 200% of their annual GDP. Transfers to Puerto Rico, which is a US territory not a fully incorporated state, exceeded 290%. Where did these transfers come from? New York transferred over $950 billion to the rest of America's fiscal union from 1990 to 2009. But relative to the size of its economy, Delaware made the biggest contribution, equivalent to more than twice its 2009 GDP. These calculations are based on tax figures provided by the Internal Revenue Service (which used to bracket Washington, DC, with Maryland) and federal spending numbers provided by the Census Bureau, which ignores spending on international programmes and interest payments.

America's fiscal union: The red and the black | The Economist

We've hashed this garbage study out in a variety of threads over the years.

-Fed farm payments are credited to the rural farm states even though the payment goes to the landowner who might actually live in oh....Florida, NY etc.
-It ignores the concept of "public goods", ie. interstate highways, military bases, nuclear waste sites etc etc.
-All corporate taxes, generated from US wide operations are credited to the state of domicile.

There is more but that's enough. Run a search if you want a more detailed explanation.

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