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The only reason the "gun walking" was allowed to happen was b/c of 3 laws the nra and gun lobby pushed.
Gun sales at gun shows are legal
Gun transfers after the sale are legal
Gun transfers are only illegal if you have proof that the intent of the purchase was to commit a crime
Even calling the op gun walking is a lie, since those guns were legal purchases b/c of the above.
So Conservatives either need top drop the faux outrage, trumped up charges, and partisan bs our jon hands w those that want to enact common sense regulations on gun sales.
The only reason the "gun walking" was allowed to happen was b/c of 3 laws the nra and gun lobby pushed.
Gun sales at gun shows are legal
Gun transfers after the sale are legal
Gun transfers are only illegal if you have proof that the intent of the purchase was to commit a crime
Even calling the op gun walking is a lie, since those guns were legal purchases b/c of the above.
So Conservatives either need top drop the faux outrage, trumped up charges, and partisan bs our jon hands w those that want to enact common sense regulations on gun sales.
uhm, wrong. first, yes gun sales at gun shows are legal, business owners still need to do a background check though, and buyers from business owners still need to fill out the 4473(?) form. private sakes on the other hand are an issue.
yes gun transfers after the sale are legal, IF you are not transferring the weapon to someone who cannot by law purchase a firearm, AND you have an FFL do the transfer paperwork. you do not have to have proof of intent to commit a crime for a gun transfer to be illegal. and that right there makes gun walking illegal since these guns were in fat going to people WHO COULD NOT OTHERWISE BUY GUNS LEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY. nice try but you fail completely.
The only reason the "gun walking" was allowed to happen was b/c of 3 laws the nra and gun lobby pushed.
Gun sales at gun shows are legal
Gun transfers after the sale are legal
Gun transfers are only illegal if you have proof that the intent of the purchase was to commit a crime
Even calling the op gun walking is a lie, since those guns were legal purchases b/c of the above.
So Conservatives either need top drop the faux outrage, trumped up charges, and partisan bs our jon hands w those that want to enact common sense regulations on gun sales.
It is interesting to see how confused liberals have become. You do realize that the whole operation was an attempt to LIMIT gun sales in the US.
Fast and Furious was a failed policy that did not even bother to GPS track the guns. Why? They really did not care where they ended up. Further, Fast and Furious is worse than Watergate. Why?
1. No one died in Watergate
2. hundreds died in fast and furious
3. The coverup for fast and furious is more widespread than Watergate
Obama may see some jail time over this. If he is elected again (which is unlikely), it is probable that he will face the same impeachment process that Nixon faced.
Does anyone else find it curious that the guns used in the Brian Terry "murder" were left behind? Why would a drug smuggler or illegal alien smuggler leave behind their weapon? I have my opinion, but I'll let the liberals hang themselves with their explanation on this one..
It is interesting to see how confused liberals have become. You do realize that the whole operation was an attempt to LIMIT gun sales in the US.
Fast and Furious was a failed policy that did not even bother to GPS track the guns. Why? They really did not care where they ended up. Further, Fast and Furious is worse than Watergate. Why?
1. No one died in Watergate
2. hundreds died in fast and furious
3. The coverup for fast and furious is more widespread than Watergate
Obama may see some jail time over this. If he is elected again (which is unlikely), it is probable that he will face the same impeachment process that Nixon faced.
Fast and Furious was a failure. That said please show where the President of the United States of America was the one behind it all and running the show.
At Watergate crimes were committed, were any crimes committed during Fast and Furious?
You know how many died due to the program, got proof and links?
Was it, seems like it was a little too well known to me.
May? I seriously doubt that, but go ahead keep on wishing on something off the charts to get him out of office, God knows Romney is not going to win the election.
Fast and Furious was a failure. That said please show where the President of the United States of America was the one behind it all and running the show.
At Watergate crimes were committed, were any crimes committed during Fast and Furious?
You know how many died due to the program, got proof and links?
Was it, seems like it was a little too well known to me.
May? I seriously doubt that, but go ahead keep on wishing on something off the charts to get him out of office, God knows Romney is not going to win the election.
I dont think anyone thought seriously that Obama had anything to do with it. However, rushing to the aide of Holder to invoke EP after Holder said earlier in the year that hed never call for that, raises questions now.
How do you know no crimes were committed here? Did you see the docs that they are trying their damnedest to keep under lock and key? If you have, do tell. Because id love to know what it is they are so willing to go through all this to try and keep secret.
If nothing in those documents were damaging to Holder, Obama, or someone else in the Admin, do you honestly believe they would go through all this to keep it such a secret? To tell the Terry family, screw off no one sees the docs but us?
Its time you liberals put party aside, just once. Once. Is there anything you people will not excuse or defend. This is a cover up.
The only reason the "gun walking" was allowed to happen was b/c of 3 laws the nra and gun lobby pushed.
Gun sales at gun shows are legal
Gun transfers after the sale are legal
Gun transfers are only illegal if you have proof that the intent of the purchase was to commit a crime
Even calling the op gun walking is a lie, since those guns were legal purchases b/c of the above.
So Conservatives either need top drop the faux outrage, trumped up charges, and partisan bs our jon hands w those that want to enact common sense regulations on gun sales.
I don't think your argument gets off the ground. In my reading about F&F, I haven't seen any suggestion that gun shows, or private sales ('transfers after the sale') were involved. If you have such info, provide a link. I don't think it is the case. All the sales were made thru dealers, w/ full NICs check and 4473 filing. So bullet points 1 & 2 are irrelevant.
Straw purchases (purchases by a non-felon, legal buyer at the behest of a non-legal buyer) are illegal. The NRA has never tried to block that law. Is it a difficult crime to prove? Sure, as many crimes are. People do get away with crimes frequently on the basis that it can be difficult to prove intent. But by the same token, it is possible to prove intent, and cops have ways of doing it, and successfully do it frequently. We had a cop killed here in the Seattle area, and the guy who sold the gun to him was convicted of illegally selling guns. Seller of gun in Seattle cop slaying pleads guilty | Local & Regional | Seattle News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KOMO News
"Gun walking," I believe was a term that originated from the BATF. So you're saying that the BATF was lying about its own op? The BATF knew that these were straw purchases. That's why they called it 'gun walking.' And that's why some BATF agents objected to the operation. And why BATF supervisor David Voth had to try to assuage and threaten the agents who objected.
“We just learned that ATF senior management placed two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone who vowed to retaliate against them,” they wrote before describing how senior political figures have made dangerous threats before.
Grassley and Issa said that in early 2011, right around the time Grassley first made public the whistleblowers’ allegations about Fast and Furious, Scot Thomasson – then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”
Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”
According to Grassley and Issa, when Thomasson was asked about whistleblowers’ allegations that guns were allowed to walk, Thomasson said he “didn’t know and didn’t care.”
Grassley and Issa have given Horowitz until July 6 to answer whether Thomasson was “admonished” for those threats against whistleblowers, how he got his job in the first place and how the DOJ and ATF are going to make sure he doesn’t retaliate against whistleblowers moving forward.
The two lead Fast and Furious investigators also released new, never-before-public documents that show officials in ATF’s Washington headquarters were trying to cover up Fast and Furious two weeks before Grassley ever even asked about it.
Yeah, they were trying to cover this up before even being asked about it. This is a disgrace. This whole "witchhunt" crap from you liberals just doesnt hold water. Something is being covered up. And who knows, maybe Holder isnt exactly protecting himself, but someone else. Either way, what ever the hell they are hiding, they damn well better have to turn over. Lord knows, the longer they stonewall, the more likely they will destroy documents before they are forced to hand them over.
They gave weapons to drug cartels. Not too complicated. By the original poster pushing gun control,they actually make the case that this administration had an agenda.
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