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Originally Posted by seattlenextyear
If "RADICAL" you mean "takes over 100 million years (100,000,000) to change 2 degrees", then, yes, it's radical
3-6 degrees in a matter of decades? That's pretty radical.
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Then I guess 7°F in 57 would be extremely radical.
That happened about 12,000 years ago, right at the [very abrupt] end of the last Ice Age.
I sincerely hope you have enough common sense to realize humans did not cause that.
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Originally Posted by sanrene
Neither, although you are cherry picking.
Of the TEN DEADLIEST tornadoes, only ONE occurred after 1953......May 2011 in Joplin.
Of the TWENTY-FIVE DEADLIEST tornadoes, only ONE occurred AFTER 1955, May 2011 in Joplin.
From your own link. I suggest you READ it.
As the EVIDENCE states, out of the 10 and 25 deadliest tornadoes, ALL but one occurred before the 1955, the rest, in the early 1900s and 1800s....when there was no warming? (of fear mongering, that is).
How to explain THAT?
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They cannot, so it's pointless to even ask. I mean, seriously, they actually believe the number of tornadoes is increasing, because they are just too goddam stupid to understand the role of technology.
What exists now, that did not exist 17 years ago? Uh, interlocking Doppler radar sites integrated with FAA and US military radar sites.
Doh!
How freaking stupid are these people?
25 years ago, if a tornado formed and touched down in a field, and no one saw it happen, it never got reported. Maybe a farmer out checking his fields might see some evidence of a tornado, but then maybe he reports that and maybe he doesn't.
But now the integrated inter-locking Doppler radar system can detect [most] tornadoes,
even if they are not witnessed.
So, sure, guess what, it appears to the ignorant that more tornadoes are occurring, when actually that isn't true at all.
And then we have demographics. There might be 9.8 Million people in Georgia now, but there was only 4.5 Million back in 1970 when Jimmy Carter was governor.
There are now people living in places where people never used to live.
Concurring...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
The argument is based on simple thermodynamics: As the atmosphere warms, it holds more moisture. Since 1970, atmospheric water-vapor concentrations have increased by 4 percent.
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So, uh, what, Earth was created on August 17th, 1969?
The atmosphere has been warming off and on for 12,000 years or do you just choose to ignore that?
This is "Normal Earth" or how Earth typically is 99.99% of the time:
What part of "Normal Earth" do you not understand?
That has been "Normal Earth" for 23 Million years. Why? Simple, 23 Million years ago, the tectonic plate on which the Panamanian Isthmus rests crashed into the tectonic plate on which Colombia rests.
Before that happened, ocean currents circulated from the South Atlantic through the Gulf of Panama into the South Pacific, and then as the seasons changed, it reversed from the South Pacific through the Gulf of Panama into the South Atlantic.
Once the Gulf was closed off, your weather patterns and the climate permanently changed, because since then, ocean currents from the South Atlantic circulate into the North Atlantic,
instead of into the South Pacific.
That, and several other factors resulted in a cooling of Earth, into partial glacial state, uh, like this:
I'll show that again, because of the lot of you just can't seem to grasp Geology 101, and unless and until you do, I would advise you to refrain from taking any geology course at university level, lest you fail them and ruin your GPA.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
That additional moisture is fuel for storms. Day to day, Trenberth says, the effect of the increased water-vapor concentration is modest, but over time the accumulated changes result in a “magnifying effect” of 5 to 10 percent. “That’s often enough to make this thunderstorm into a supercell storm, or to create new records,” he says.
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No, it does not.
[quote]http://www.mnh.si.edu/earth/text/images/4_0_0_0/4_1_5_0_magnetic_02.jpg[/img]
See that? That is a decent representation of the magnetic fields.
Are you all aware that the geographic location of magnetic north changes over time?
Are you all aware that it has changed a lot recently (in geologic terms)?
See this?
That is your north magnetic pole has it has migrated over the last century or so.
Are you all aware that the Earth is struck every second by non-ionizing UV radiation and by ionizing Gammas, X-Rays, Protons and Neutrons?
Are you all aware that when these particles enter your upper atmosphere, they ionize the gases in your atmosphere, and they do that by knocking orbiting electrons loose from diatomic Oxygen, diatomic Nitrogen, Carbon Dioxide, Carbon Monoxide and other gases, plus water molecules?
Are you aware that this ionization creates the "ionosphere," a region that encompasses part of the Stratosphere and Mesosphere?
Are you aware that this ionization interferes with electromagnetic radiation in certain bands, namely the short wave bands and the AM Radio band? And that it also degrades the performance of FM Radio, UHF/VHF and long wave radio bands?
Are you aware that those particles that still have sufficient energy and have not been scattered or reflected back into space then continue until they interact with the Ozone Layer?
Are you aware that those particles that still have sufficient energy and have not been scattered or reflected back into space will then interact with Earth?
You see, that is what heats your Earth -- the energy from those particles.
I don't want to mislead anyone, so I'll say that the bulk or vast overwhelming majority of those particles are non-ionizing UV radiation (that's why you get a sun-tan or sun-burn). The remainder of those particles, the ionizing radiation consisting of gammas, X-rays, protons and neutrons make up the solar component of the Natural Background Radiation that exists on Earth (the terrestrial component being ionizing particles from the decay of radio-isotopes in the Earth's crust and those in your home --- like the Radon in you basement, and all of the polonium and radioactive potassium and such in your paint, your counter tops, your furniture, your masonry, your coffee etc etc etc. That is much more dangerous than the Funkymama reactors in Japan, but most of you don't understand that, or insist upon being willfully ignorant and you run around like a raped ape whenever you hear "radiation."
Occasionally, the Sun will kick off a larger number of particles that wreck havoc with your communications systems.
And infrequently, the Sun will kick off a massive X-ray storm also accompanied by a massive proton storm, just like in 1859 when the Carrington Event occurred.
Such an event will happen again, and when it does, you'll be in the Stone Age and 300 Million out of 312 Million Americans will be dead within 1 year.
You should put that into perspective with your global warming nonsense.
Anyway, the exact location of the magnetic north pole determines where those particles are reflected, scattered and shunted on Earth, and that is to the greatest extent what drives your weather.
Maybe that's a better graphic representation.
The location of magnetic north affects the levels of energy in the atmosphere which in turn affects your weather and epsecially the jet streams:
This one is probably the best representation.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
It is all very simple. Global warming causes the oceans to warm, which produces more violent weather and tornadoes. At the same time, tornadoes are caused by cooling oceans and La Nina. Tornadoes are a classic symptom of warm/cold.
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That is not why.
I just explained why. You global warming pukes have an aversion to reality, and that wouldn't be so bad, except for the fact that so do the idiot scientists that are lying about global warming.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
Are you lying, or just uninformed?.....The April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak is the most prolific tornado outbreak in US history. It produced approximately 358 tornadoes, with 206 of those in a single 24-hour period. 335 deaths occurred in that same 24-hour time period of which 322 were tornado related. The outbreak has also helped smash the record for most tornadoes in the month of April with 770 tornadoes, more than double the prior record (267 in April 1974). The overall record for a single month was 542 in May 2003, which was also broken. Tornado records - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia |
How many tornadoes took place in the 24 hour period on April 24, 1988?
A person of honesty and integrity would answer the question with total truthfulness, like this:
There were X number of tornadoes reported via human observation.
You did not have Doppler radar all over the freaking US at that time (or any time before that) so you have no freaking idea how many tornadoes were formed on a given day.
This whole statement...
The outbreak has also helped smash the record for most tornadoes in the month of April with 770 tornadoes, more than double the prior record (267 in April 1974).
...is a lie....and you bought into the lie hook, line and sinker and sucked it up.
Not only did you not have any Doppler radar installed, you didn't even have wind shear radars at FAA airports yet (and it won't be until 1985 that you start installing them).
That's why I used to fail students for using Pukipedia. Gotta expect lies like that.
Debunking...
Mircea
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Why are you so defensive.
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Because stupidity is, well, stupid and no matter what, the ends never justify the means.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Some of us believe we are destroying the earth with all the pollutants we put in the air and the ground.
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I happen to believe that. I've worked on enough litigation involving damages from environmental pollution.
But that has nothing to do with global warming.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Seriously, how can that not affect us.
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Of course it affects us. I used to live near Fernald. I can tell you all about it in nauseating detail. I can also tell you about toxic dump sites in nauseating detail.
But that has nothing to do with global warming.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
Plus all the landfills that we have dumped trash in. They close and then we have to open new ones to accommodate our waste.
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Well, naturally, living the Borg-like-locust consuming Extravagant American Life-Style™ is not free. There are costs associated with that, and pollution is one of them, since your disposable Extravagant American Life-Style™ is so chic.
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Originally Posted by natalie469
I'm sorry but I can't be the only one to see that we need to do what we can to protect where we live.
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It doesn't matter.
When the end is known, the reality becomes obvious, and it is so very obvious that neither you nor any of your ilk are willing to surrender the Extravagant American Life-Style™.
And how do we know? Because if just 10% of you could "walk the walk," you'd make an impact on your economy....negatively of course....but then that is the price you have to pay. There are costs associated with that too.
Since there is no negative economic impact, you don't have 10% walking the walk. You don't even have 5%.
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Originally Posted by Harrier
Nah - no destructive worldwide flood will ever occur again - nor will the earth be cursed because of the actions of people - see Genesis 8:21-22.
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Don't be so sure.
That was 11,000 years ago. When your Ice Age abruptly and abnormally ended, and when "Flood Myths" began to emerge.
That's what ended up on Earth. No telling what ended up in the oceans triggering a global tsunami.
I mention that because, well, since your Ice Age ended, uh, abruptly and abnormally, even if it would be true that Earth is warming, you cannot rule the probability and likelihood that it is a natural process associated with the end of Ice Ages.
Globally...
Mircea
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