We are a nation of two classes....the recipient class and the provider class. (wages, Pennsylvania)

[mb1547]

Originally Posted by NJBest

It applies to so many different scenarios.

Business owners provide jobs, innovation, value to society. Employees and society receive the benefits.

I'm a business owner. Without my employees, I wouldn't be making a profit either. It goes both ways. Some of you talk like you're in a bad episode of Downton Abbey, and the lord of the manor provides for all...

The eyeroll wasn't directed at NJBest--just those of you that have a huge chip on their shoulder.

[NJBest]

Originally Posted by mb1547

I'm a business owner. Without my employees, I wouldn't be making a profit either. It goes both ways. Some of you talk like you're in a bad episode of Downton Abbey, and the lord of the manor provides for all...

Wow, that went right over your head. You obviously missed the point of my post (being a follow up to me previous post).

[NJBest]

Originally Posted by GregW

I spend most of my income buying necessities. These necessities are sold at a profit for the owners of the businesses. Therefore I am having a portion of the money I spend transferred from me, a 99%er, to the owning 1%ers. That makes me a provider and them a recipient. Then there is the fact that I pay much of my limited income as taxes whilst multimillionaires pay at a much lower rate on their effectively unlimited income. Thus I am a provider to the government and they are recipients.

I am certain the OP was trying to chastise the poor as “recipients” while “proper” people like him were “providers”. Indeed, he might be a “provider” but the biggest recipients are big business.

Exactly. You also point out why the OP wasn't thinking thoroughly when he created the thread.

[mb1547]

Originally Posted by NJBest

Wow, that went right over your head. You obviously missed the point of my post (being a follow up to me previous post).

I didn't--I edited later to explain and we must have been posting at the same time--I'm with you on this.

[aus10]

Originally Posted by GregW

I spend most of my income buying necessities. These necessities are sold at a profit for the owners of the businesses. Therefore I am having a portion of the money I spend transferred from me, a 99%er, to the owning 1%ers. That makes me a provider and them a recipient. Then there is the fact that I pay much of my limited income as taxes whilst multimillionaires pay at a much lower rate on their effectively unlimited income. Thus I am a provider to the government and they are recipients.

I am certain the OP was trying to chastise the poor as “recipients” while “proper” people like him were “providers”. Indeed, he might be a “provider” but the biggest recipients are big business.

The question everyone should ask themselves... are you a positive net provider to the government, or a negative net provider? Does an individual pay more in taxes than he receives in benefits or does he/she take more in benefits than they pay. The business man you hate so much, is more than likely a positive net provider....

Now what our government does with its funds... that's where the BIG problems lie....

[mb1547]

Originally Posted by aus10

The question everyone should ask themselves... are you a positive net provider to the government, or a negative net provider? Does an individual pay more in taxes than he receives in benefits or does he/she take more in benefits than they pay. The business man you hate so much, is more than likely a positive net provider....

Now what our government does with its funds... that's where the BIG problems lie....

It also depends on what point you are in your life. Half of the people paying no taxes are retirees living on social security. They paid throughout their working lives.

[aus10]

Originally Posted by mb1547

It also depends on what point you are in your life. Half of the people paying no taxes are retirees living on social security. They paid throughout their working lives.

Agreed... but I would imagine that during most of those retiree's working years the same question would have applied. Were they or were they not contributing to the positive? There may come a time, when I could turn into a recipient if I were to live long enough, and I in fact ever draw social security over the amount that I've paid in... but the way it looks now.. I'll never even come close. The problem as I see it, is that there are way to many who do receive more than they provide and instead of trying to figure out a way to at least get to a zero sum difference, they complain and gripe about everyone else who today are the hand that feeds them.

[ottomobeale]

>Low wage workers do not have any federal tax responsibility. and, they're assisted by the provider class.<

WRONG

If there was no profit in it he would not have his low wage job. He works for a low wage and his production or service is resold at a profit. This profit does not go to the low wage guy. The owner gets it.

Yes i know small detail.
Payroll taxes. Another small detail.
sales Tax. Another small detail.
...
The recipient class is far far smaller than you pontificate. And far fewer people have alot of sympathy for the welfare class (vs. low wage workers.)

[buddy5]

I worked for thirty eight + years, paid income taxes, Social Security
and my Employer company and retired after being disabled after 55.
I still pay taxes.

I volunteer as a youth coach and give money and 500 hours of time
a year for my community.

I call myself a provider.

If you don't work, or have never worked and are recieving Federal
and/or State money and aid, you would be a recipient.

Valid question. Shouldn't people who recieve services help their
community in some way?

[ringwise]

Originally Posted by GregW

Yeah, 99% provide profits for the 1% recipient class.

The 1% also provides profits for that "class".