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Socialism needs a strong federal government otherwise capital flees the more socialist states.
Well I specifically meant social issues.
As far as economic issues I am a staunch proponent of the free market. If free market fundamentals were practiced there would be no need for federal entitlements.
errr people want what was promised to them when the money was forcibly extracted from their paycheck.
Give people a choice to opt out the government run, bankrupt pozi schemes that offer neither safety or nets, and you'll see the support for them vaporize.
Now if you had said "most people who havent paid into them like them", I'd agree with you.
It wasn't forcibly removed from their paychecks. When asked if all money from social security should be paid back, and cease the program, an overwhelming 60% of Americans support the continuation of the program.
Whoa! A whole lot of name calling, misrepresentation and blame game going on here. Perhaps to sour people to the idea of libertarianism, to those who are new to the concept? Let me explain the concept of libertarianism like I would explain to an 8 year old.
Libertarianism is about liberty. It's the freedom of choice - the ability to do what you like, as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else. Like someone said here, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. That's it. If you understand this concept, you understand libertarianism.
Libertarianism is also an umbrella term, and encompasses a wide range of ideas, and doesn't necessarily mean the entire platform of the Libertarian party either. There is Anarcho-capitalism, Minarchism, Voluntaryism etc., so it's almost sure that no two libertarians agree 100% on every issue, but that's OK - freedom of choice, remember? Even when two libertarians disagree vehemently on something, they don't try to impose their beliefs on each other, and that's the key.
Now, are there fake libertarians? You bet. Glenn Beck is one. He claims to be a libertarian and a small-government advocate, but when it comes to our foreign policy, he conveniently throws everything out of the window, and goes full-blown neocon. Also, all the "Beltway Libertarians" - CATO types and the Reason Foundation types, are also libertarians of convenience, who don't always walk the walk.
I don't like to label myself, and nor do I think any libertarian should try to label himself/herself, because there is always something or the other we can find to disagree with the dictionary definition of a strain of libertarianism. And that's OK.
Libertarians are also Constitutionalists. I am, hardcore. If the government wants to pee, it should be authorized in the Constitution. Period. You can amend the Constitution to change something you don't like, sure, but as long the Constitution exists the way it is at any point in time, it should be followed.
I am against federal government involvement in any sphere of life or economy which is not authorized by the Constitution. Functions which are not authorized by the Constitution should be handled by the private sector or the states. This usually spawns a favorite fallacy perpetuated by the statists - "Oh, so you like oppressive government at the local/state level." My answer is - not at all. BUT, if at least that function is down to my state or county, I can oppose it more effectively and make it defunct. If that function is authorized by my state Constitution, then by all means, do it. But if not, the same restriction applies here too.
We are usually pro-drug legalization, pro-Constitution, anti-undeclared wars, anti-income tax, pro-choice..or in one sentence, "as long as it's between consenting adults, it's not my business, nor is it the government's business".
If our great Founding Fathers were alive today, you bet that they would have called themselves libertarians. They were awesome like THAT.
NO! I said above in another post that I PERSONALLY do not agree with homosexual marriage but if you take the government completely out of marriage there would not even be a problem with all of this...people could marry themselves and be done with it.
It comes to at what stage does the fetus develop rights. While pro-choice myself those who argue that human life should be protected at all stages can be libertarians. Libertarians recognize that the right to swing your fist ends at where another humans nose begins.
"Big Tent" Libertarians, eh?
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Originally Posted by Hot_Handz
Well I specifically meant social issues.
As far as economic issues I am a staunch proponent of the free market. If free market fundamentals were practiced there would be no need for federal entitlements.
It's been tried. It didn't work too well for a lot of people. Go read Dickens.
Your stance on abortion depends on at what stage you believe human life should be protected. Libertarians (with the exception of a few anarchists), conservatives and liberals all agree that protecting individuals from external and internal aggressors is a function of government. Even most liberals have few problems with Roe v. Wade which extends certain protections to the fetus in the last trimester.
It wasn't forcibly removed from their paychecks. When asked if all money from social security should be paid back, and cease the program, an overwhelming 60% of Americans support the continuation of the program.
If you can't opt out,it's by force
You can go on and on all you want with saying it has overwhelming support.
Todays knowledgable youth who know it will be bankrupted for them would disagree with you.
Your defense of it is criminal.
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If you can't opt out,it's by force
You can go on and on all you want with saying it has overwhelming support.
Todays knowledgable youth who know it will bankrupted for them would disagree with you.
Your defense of it is criminal.
I don't like paying taxes for the military, but the majority of the American people seem fit to keep electing officials who support that expansion of growth.
So I can complain about it, but opting out isn't an option.
The majority of Americans want the continued taxation for social security, so you can complain, but you can't opt out, or claim that its theft.
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