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Old 02-24-2012, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Thomas Sowell, one of the black conservative professors, few of them but he is one of them tells this story just as I see it so maybe some won't want to read this link.

"Whatever the vision or rhetoric of the Progressive era, its practice was a never-ending expansion of the arbitrary powers of the federal government. The problems they created so discredited Progressives that they started calling themselves "liberals" — and after they discredited themselves again, they went back to calling themselves "Progressives," now that people no longer remembered how Progressives had discredited themselves before."


The 'Progressive' Legacy by Thomas Sowell on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:45 PM
 
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Thomas Sowell, one of the black conservative professors, few of them but he is one of them tells this story just as I see it so maybe some won't want to read this link.

"Whatever the vision or rhetoric of the Progressive era, its practice was a never-ending expansion of the arbitrary powers of the federal government. The problems they created so discredited Progressives that they started calling themselves "liberals" — and after they discredited themselves again, they went back to calling themselves "Progressives," now that people no longer remembered how Progressives had discredited themselves before."


The 'Progressive' Legacy by Thomas Sowell on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
Ahhh... the labels socialists try to paint for themselves. Every time the people reject the socialists, they change their label.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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Thomas Sowell, one of the black conservative professors, few of them but he is one of them tells this story just as I see it so maybe some won't want to read this link.

"Whatever the vision or rhetoric of the Progressive era, its practice was a never-ending expansion of the arbitrary powers of the federal government. The problems they created so discredited Progressives that they started calling themselves "liberals" — and after they discredited themselves again, they went back to calling themselves "Progressives," now that people no longer remembered how Progressives had discredited themselves before."


The 'Progressive' Legacy by Thomas Sowell on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
...and your point here is what? Today you're getting your opinion from this guy? I thought you got it from realclearpolitics?

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Ahhh... the labels socialists try to paint for themselves. Every time the people reject the socialists, they change their label.
I dunno, I've met people who are unabashedly socialist and they call themselves so. We have plenty of socialism in our society. SS, Medicare, the VA, etc. The Republicans had full control of the government for 6 years in the 2000's. Did you see any bills from them trying to end those programs? Bush tried to reform social security, not eliminate it just reform it and his own party wouldn't back him on that....at all.

We're all socialists to some degree. Some people just don't have the intelligence to realize it.

In terms of the labels, it's mostly the conservative types who throw around the progressive monicker. I haven't met anyone who has put themselves forward as a progressive.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:22 PM
 
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...and your point here is what? Today you're getting your opinion from this guy? I thought you got it from realclearpolitics?



I dunno, I've met people who are unabashedly socialist and they call themselves so. We have plenty of socialism in our society. SS, Medicare, the VA, etc. The Republicans had full control of the government for 6 years in the 2000's. Did you see any bills from them trying to end those programs? Bush tried to reform social security, not eliminate it just reform it and his own party wouldn't back him on that....at all.

We're all socialists to some degree. Some people just don't have the intelligence to realize it.

In terms of the labels, it's mostly the conservative types who throw around the progressive monicker. I haven't met anyone who has put themselves forward as a progressive.
I have taken most of what you want to call Beck or Rush from Sowell for a number of years, more than I have ever seen or heard Beck. Fooled you didn't I? No, I believe anything that Sowell says about economics and you would too if you could lower yourself enough to read him now and then.

Did you notice that he tells the progressive story just as Beck does so maybe he is part of what Beck believes about progressives.

Pay some attention to some of what liberal leaders are saying these days and notice that they are talking progressive as in the income tax. For years in my younger days I thought that progressive in income tax talk referred to how it increases as income does, but then one day I started reading Sowell and saw what was really being talked about.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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By nature, Progressives are enthralled by the concept of superior knowlege and strong central authority. WEB Dubois use to praise the Nazis for their "efficiency."
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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By nature, Progressives are enthralled by the concept of superior knowlege and strong central authority. WEB Dubois use to praise the Nazis for their "efficiency."
Progressives are just what you say, IMO. However, that superior thinking is a strong part of why I can't go along with them. I always wondered if Dubois was a progressive or just an out and out socialist.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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Dubois rallied support for Woody Wilson and got burned badly for it. He was always socialist and died a commie in Ghana. He was typical of the New England elite (even for an AA).

Booker T. Washington was so superior that it wasn't even funny.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:57 PM
 
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Ahhh... the labels socialists try to paint for themselves. Every time the people reject the socialists, they change their label.
I didn't follow the link, but it's enough to note that everything in the quote from Sowell that you posted is a lie.
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:44 PM
 
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Dubois rallied support for Woody Wilson and got burned badly for it. He was always socialist and died a commie in Ghana. He was typical of the New England elite (even for an AA).

Booker T. Washington was so superior that it wasn't even funny.
We sure do agree on this one. Would you agree that Washington as a scientist just wasn't seen the same as Dubois among left leaning people?
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Old 02-24-2012, 02:51 PM
 
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By nature, Progressives are enthralled by the concept of superior knowlege and strong central authority. WEB Dubois use to praise the Nazis for their "efficiency."
that was quick

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
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