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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us...nt&tntemail1=y
“The bottom fifth in the U.S. looks very different from the bottom fifth in other countries,” said Scott Winship, a researcher at the Brookings Institution, who wrote the article for National Review. “Poor Americans have to work their way up from a lower floor.”
Of course single mothers and their kids have less stability when Daddy hits the road.
How in the Hell are you going to get Black men to stop bailing on the women that they get pregnant?
Of course the author of this article agrees with unionization as a solution.
"Skeptics caution that the studies measure “relative mobility” — how likely children are to move from their parents’ place in the income distribution. That is different from asking whether they have more money. Most Americans have higher incomes than their parents because the country has grown richer."
If you read the article - the idea that America has less upward mobility than other countries - is admittedly debatable. You can use studies to suit any argument.
If being less mobile is factual or not, or if it's a problem or not ...... "What's the Left going to do about it anyway"?
So what's the issue? All able bodied Americans with reasonable intelligence are upwardly mobile. The fact that many do not take advantage of their opportunities is a motivation issue; it's too easy to just let things happen and have the government take care of them.
Millions of Americans start with nothing and build a comfortable lifestyle for themselves every year. We have no mobility problems.
Of course single mothers and their kids have less stability when Daddy hits the road.
How in the Hell are you going to get Black men to stop bailing on the women that they get pregnant?
Of course the author of this article agrees with unionization as a solution.
"Skeptics caution that the studies measure “relative mobility” — how likely children are to move from their parents’ place in the income distribution. That is different from asking whether they have more money. Most Americans have higher incomes than their parents because the country has grown richer."
If you read the article - the idea that America has less upward mobility than other countries - is admittedly debatable. You can use studies to suit any argument.
If being less mobile is factual or not, or if it's a problem or not ...... "What's the Left going to do about it anyway"?
Then show us some studies that suggest this is not true?
The fact of the matter is multiple studies have confirmed the US is below average in social mobility.
You bad mouth the results because they rightly expose your ideology for what it is. Not because you have any rational argument why the studies are flawed.
So what's the issue? All able bodied Americans with reasonable intelligence are upwardly mobile. The fact that many do not take advantage of their opportunities is a motivation issue; it's too easy to just let things happen and have the government take care of them.
Millions of Americans start with nothing and build a comfortable lifestyle for themselves every year. We have no mobility problems.
The issue is that they are "less able" than other countries that you smear as "welfare states" to be upwardly mobile.
That's part of your right wing propaganda is it not?
That here in the good ole USA we may have less equality in standard of living but the trade off is there are so much opportunity here as compared to the "welfare states"?
These studies show how dishonest your ideology is.
Then show us some studies that suggest this is not true?
The fact of the matter is multiple studies have confirmed the US is below average in social mobility.
You bad mouth the results because they rightly expose your ideology for what it is. Not because you have any rational argument why the studies are flawed.
Upward mobility will increase when Government gets out of the way and when low income Daddies quit leaving the families they've fathered.
I won't be sold on your push to become more like Europe. That's just dumb.
Make America more like it was 40 years ago and the "studies" will show more upward mobility here than anywhere else in the World.
When that happens - you'll deny our success - because it wasn't achieved Socialistic European style.
Upward mobility will increase when Government gets out of the way and when low income Daddies quit leaving the families they've fathered.
I won't be sold on your push to become more like Europe. That's just dumb.
Make America more like it was 40 years ago and the "studies" will show more upward mobility here than anywhere else in the World.
When that happens - you'll deny our success - because it wasn't achieved Socialistic European style.
I rest my case.
Despite the fact the the countries with the MOST government involvement have the GREATEST rates of social mobility ...This fact does not penetrate is right wing programming. They can't stop spreading the lie that "government need to just get out of the way. Unsupported by facts.
Brainwashing is when facts don't penetrate your fantasy World.
Despite the fact the the countries with the MOST government involvement have the GREATEST rates of social mobility ...This fact does not penetrate is right wing programming. They can't stop spreading the lie that "government need to just get out of the way. Unsupported by facts.
Brainwashing is when facts don't penetrate your fantasy World.
So what exactly do you want the government to do to increase "upward mobility?"
I'll standby for your answer because i'm genuinely curious what you think the US Government can do to empower those who can't even accomplish the most basic tenets of life in the US (ie. graduating high school/college/trade school/family/children/jobs, etc.). Upward mobility has to have a foundation, and that foundation has crumbled with the decline of the familial unit.
Enlighten us. What can government do that the individual obviously cannot?
Despite the fact the the countries with the MOST government involvement have the GREATEST rates of social mobility ...This fact does not penetrate is right wing programming. They can't stop spreading the lie that "government need to just get out of the way. Unsupported by facts.
Brainwashing is when facts don't penetrate your fantasy World.
Read the article.
It even says in the article that their conclusions are debatable, and the results can be weighed differently depending on which angle you look at them from or what factors you rely on as true.
To say that life in America is a living Hell compared to life in Europe, based on this New York Times article is pure crap.
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