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Old 01-04-2012, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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This seems worthy of my first created thread:

CA Judge Deems Ramming Jewish Woman with Shopping Cart

I have not read the entire case, but based on the article, it seems like he has set a dangerous precedent. Your thoughts?

"U.S. District Judge Richard Seeborg said much of the alleged harassment, even if true, constituted protected political speech that UC Berkeley had no obligation to stop."


The judge was born in Germany and appointed by Obama in 2009.
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Old 01-04-2012, 03:41 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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I view this incident like I view the Westboro Baptist situation, at least based on the information presented above. Basically they can shout hateful vitriol until their faces turn blue, and I will support their right to do so... but the second they impede upon another person's safety or well-being, they deserve to be charged with a crime. Speech (to some degree) is protected, assault and direct harassment are not.
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:42 AM
 
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I agree, there's quite a big difference between speech and actual actions.
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:45 AM
 
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I view this incident like I view the Westboro Baptist situation, at least based on the information presented above. Basically they can shout hateful vitriol until their faces turn blue, and I will support their right to do so... but the second they impede upon another person's safety or well-being, they deserve to be charged with a crime. Speech (to some degree) is protected, assault and direct harassment are not.
Exactly. Speech is protected. Violence is not.
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Near the water
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Wrong is right and right is wrong....is how the saying goes.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The assailant was arrested for assault. That's where the law should intervene.

Free speech is one thing, and the judge is correct in saying the University has no duty to restrict it, but assault is an entirely different matter which has no Constitutional protection.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Free speech and religion aside, ramming someone with a shopping cart on purpose is assault pure and simple.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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This seems worthy of my first created thread:

CA Judge Deems Ramming Jewish Woman with Shopping Cart

I have not read the entire case, but based on the article, it seems like he has set a dangerous precedent. Your thoughts?

"U.S. District Judge Richard Seeborg said much of the alleged harassment, even if true, constituted protected political speech that UC Berkeley had no obligation to stop."


The judge was born in Germany and appointed by Obama in 2009.
Actually it's assault and battery, and the perp should be arrested.
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Actually it's assault and battery, and the perp should be arrested.
Exactly...I despise the "hate crime" law as it helps to promote racism...a crime is a crime no matter who it's to....simple to all but ignorant lawmakers.
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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This seems worthy of my first created thread:

CA Judge Deems Ramming Jewish Woman with Shopping Cart

I have not read the entire case, but based on the article, it seems like he has set a dangerous precedent. Your thoughts?

"U.S. District Judge Richard Seeborg said much of the alleged harassment, even if true, constituted protected political speech that UC Berkeley had no obligation to stop."


The judge was born in Germany and appointed by Obama in 2009.
How typical that the Blaze and Jihad Watch should misrepresent what the case was about. The Judge did not rule that hitting a person with a shopping cart is free speech. The person assaulting the women was arrested. The Judge dismissed a suit that was asserting that the University should have limited the free speech rights of a particular group.
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