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Old 12-30-2011, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Well, you could start by cutting US per capita defense spending to Canada's level - or is that too radical?
I'm all for cutting defense. I think they can live with $400-500 Billion a year.

But the point of what is happening in Canada, after the voters threw out the tax and spend liberals that got them in the mess, then gave a clear majority to Harper, is the policies he has/will implement that is growing Canada's economy through less taxes, more energy, less government, all conservative principles.
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Canada still has universal heathcare for all its citizens. Their conservative party is not the same as the far right in the US.
I think I have read over and over that once you get UHC it will take years, if ever, to get rid of it. I think that that has something to do with once you give anything involved in tax money to many people they will always be against it.

It is very true that conservative in Canada is not the same as far right in the US however I never know for sure where you and others like you want to position most conservatives.
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Honestly I see Canada becoming more German like in its Society and Economy. It's a small country and very homogeneous which lends its self to the German model.
It sounds like you would be less identifiable in Canada, than you do here, along with the government policies that you clearly like (compared to America... including mandatory primary education, subsidized college, universal health care,...)

The question then is, what exactly is "homogeneous" about a country where 58% of the population speaks English and 22% prefers French? Heck, we talk of "states' rights" here, even if we were "homogenous".

But then, where have I seen such push for a homogenous society before?
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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I think I have read over and over that once you get UHC it will take years, if ever, to get rid of it.
Once people have UHC, arguing for the current US model is utter political suicide. The glorious chance of having to sell your home to pay hospital bills isn't really that attractive, can you believe it?
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Canada still has universal heathcare for all its citizens. Their conservative party is not the same as the far right in the US.
They aren't fat either. Don't you understand that, with universal health care, also comes personal responsibility?
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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Smaller government, less intrusive government, less taxes, a robust, domestic energy plan...all things obama has NOT done and look at the difference between the two nations.

Canada weathered the financial meltdown and global recession quite well, under conservative leadership, whereas the situation in the US, under the liberal obama UNleadership, has gotten demonstrably worse.

As U.S. Economy Under Obama Flails, Canada Hums With Harper's Free-Market Policies - Investors.com



Look to the North, you dolts.



Canada is booming, the US is flailing under obamanomics.

The difference is stark, the example instructional.
All that is untrue. Canada never fell as far as the USA did because they did not have a housing meltdown. And Canada is not a "free market" country. If you don't like Obamacare, try Health Canada.
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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never gonna happen, they are now allowing people to buy their own private insurance but the universal health care system will never me removed. In case your wondering why so many US firms move production to Canada:

"In 2002, automotive companies claimed that the universal health care system in Canada saved labour costs.[140] In 2004, health care cost General Motors $5.8 billion, and increased to $7 billion.[141] The UAW also claimed that the resulting escalating health care premiums reduced workers' bargaining powers.[142]"
I will continue to say that the most socialist medical program in the US, Medicare, is to blame for the continued rise of insurance costs in the US. I have been on Medicare since 1997 and when I see what health care providers ask for and what they get from Medicare I see why they charge so much to people who have insurance. When bureaucrats, the state Medicare boards, decide how much they will pay and doctors are forced to accept the amount it doesn't work.

I am old and stupid but I have been getting one of two endoscopies since 2001 and know how much the doctor and the hospital ask for. I talked some time ago with a woman who had no insurance but had to have an endoscopy and learned that she had to pay exactly what they always ask for me. Yep, getting even for what isn't paid for old people is hard on the health care givers and here we are getting ready to install more of that bureaucrat driven care that we call Obamacare.
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Well, you could start by cutting US per capita defense spending to Canada's level - or is that too radical?



Yea maybe we could ask Mexico to protect us the WE protect Canada...
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I will continue to say that the most socialist medical program in the US, Medicare, is to blame for the continued rise of insurance costs in the US. I have been on Medicare since 1997 and when I see what health care providers ask for and what they get from Medicare I see why they charge so much to people who have insurance. When bureaucrats, the state Medicare boards, decide how much they will pay and doctors are forced to accept the amount it doesn't work.

I am old and stupid but I have been getting one of two endoscopies since 2001 and know how much the doctor and the hospital ask for. I talked some time ago with a woman who had no insurance but had to have an endoscopy and learned that she had to pay exactly what they always ask for me. Yep, getting even for what isn't paid for old people is hard on the health care givers and here we are getting ready to install more of that bureaucrat driven care that we call Obamacare.
I really hope you're dropped off Medicare, given the chump change you contributed towards that program over the period you did, with interest, and be left on your own. In fact, make that, every single person on medicare that complains about it.
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Once people have UHC, arguing for the current US model is utter political suicide. The glorious chance of having to sell your home to pay hospital bills isn't really that attractive, can you believe it?
My argument here is like the old saying that once a people find they can get their hand into the pocket of government and take out tax money that others pay it is hard to get that hand out. If nearly 50% of our people pay no federal income tax it appears to me that I know how they will vote and UHC is a prime example of that.
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