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I'd certainly agree with that. While my co-worker can wear her head scarf - on the job - all day, I can't have a non-obtrusive figure of Santa Claus on my desk.
Or while I hear the wailings coming from a nearby minaret, I can't have 'holiday' lights in my yard. I can only imagine it's because the air is free but I have to pay for my electricity.
Its the just the twisted mindset that is prevalent today among US atheists [who tend to hate Christians with a burning passion, but Judiasm/Islam and others are A'ok].
Christians are bad in their mind. If a Muslim wants to wear a headscarf then let them - if someone says they cant then that person is probably a Christian [ie- a bad guy]. Thats the mindset of most liberal judges in this country atleast.
I bet most of the Christian haters were raised in a Christian household and were spoiled brats. Just being taken to Church when they instead wanted to play a game hurt them for life and now they hate Christianity. Boo hoo.
OK, because Jews, Wiccans, Buddhists, Muslims, celebrate particular holidays and special days in their religions or history, you can call them part of American culture if it pleases you. I'll stick with a more realistic view of what's part of American culture [for better or worse].
By some people's notion of what is US Culture - all it takes is to be born here and its instantly part of US culture. Which is naive, some Buddhists have been born in Saudi Arabia and work there today...I guess Buddhism is part of Saudi culture now.
By some people's notion of what is US Culture - all it takes is to be born here and its instantly part of US culture. Which is naive, some Buddhists have been born in Saudi Arabia and work there today...I guess Buddhism is part of Saudi culture now.
Tolerance is part of our culture. Sadly, the place I see tolerance celebrated the most these days as an old fasioned American ideal is in movies from the 40s and 50s. One movie made in the 50s that I saw the other day, even said Americans worship at: mosques, churches and temples -- in that order. The movie was a flagwaving piece of claptrap.
The Left ceded patriotism to the Right in the 60s. So you have the Right claiming to protect traditional American values. The only problem is that America's tradtional values are liberal. Even at the time of our Revolution, America prided itself on being a hodgepodge of cultures that managed to leave old world conflicts behind and cooperate.
Its the just the twisted mindset that is prevalent today among US atheists [who tend to hate Christians with a burning passion, but Judiasm/Islam and others are A'ok].
Christians are bad in their mind. If a Muslim wants to wear a headscarf then let them - if someone says they cant then that person is probably a Christian [ie- a bad guy]. Thats the mindset of most liberal judges in this country atleast.
I bet most of the Christian haters were raised in a Christian household and were spoiled brats. Just being taken to Church when they instead wanted to play a game hurt them for life and now they hate Christianity. Boo hoo.
I think you are wrong.
You may be suffering from delusions and a persecution complex.
No Atheist I know - and I know lots of them! - hate Christians. If they criticize organized religion, and they are critical of all organized religions and not just Christianity, they are merely exercising their Constitutional rights and freedom of speech.
As if Christians do not denounce, or criticize, or even try to demonize Atheists.
Tolerance is not part of our culture anymore. If it were then you wouldn't see so much outrage from "the other side". If anything we are getting intolerant of other cultures, religiions, etc and want everything sanitized and secular so that NO HINT of anything, even holidays, is displayed to the public.
It's getting to be that people who like to celebrate Christmas are going to have to have a secret closet where they put up their tree and lights and have to steal peeks at it every now and then but keep it a secret from the PC police.
So I exaggerate a bit TODAY..but what about tomorrow ? I would have never thought that people would get outraged to the point of suing when the nativity scene was put up on the local government front lawn. Not like this is new as it was done for decades but now too many people cannot TOLERATE the sight of it so it has to be removed. I use this as an example as their are plenty of other non-religious, non Christmas "intolerant" displays around.
Tolerant society my *ss. We USED to be a tolerant society but not any more.
Tolerance is not part of our culture anymore. If it were then you wouldn't see so much outrage from "the other side". If anything we are getting intolerant of other cultures, religiions, etc and want everything sanitized and secular so that NO HINT of anything, even holidays, is displayed to the public.
It's getting to be that people who like to celebrate Christmas are going to have to have a secret closet where they put up their tree and lights and have to steal peeks at it every now and then but keep it a secret from the PC police.
So I exaggerate a bit TODAY..but what about tomorrow ? I would have never thought that people would get outraged to the point of suing when the nativity scene was put up on the local government front lawn. Not like this is new as it was done for decades but now too many people cannot TOLERATE the sight of it so it has to be removed. I use this as an example as their are plenty of other non-religious, non Christmas "intolerant" displays around.
Tolerant society my *ss. We USED to be a tolerant society but not any more.
I agree, Texan. It's not just the "other side" that grew intolerant. Somewhre along the way, we went from being a group that tolerated each other -- not necessarily liked, but tolerated -- to one that is at each other's throats over the stupidest of things. It is downright retarded to not tolerate a nativity scene. It also downright retarded to not tolerate a non Christain neighbor who says, Happy Holidays, in lieu of Merry Christmas.
Tolerance is not part of our culture anymore. If it were then you wouldn't see so much outrage from "the other side". If anything we are getting intolerant of other cultures, religiions, etc and want everything sanitized and secular so that NO HINT of anything, even holidays, is displayed to the public.
It's getting to be that people who like to celebrate Christmas are going to have to have a secret closet where they put up their tree and lights and have to steal peeks at it every now and then but keep it a secret from the PC police.
So I exaggerate a bit TODAY..but what about tomorrow ? I would have never thought that people would get outraged to the point of suing when the nativity scene was put up on the local government front lawn. Not like this is new as it was done for decades but now too many people cannot TOLERATE the sight of it so it has to be removed. I use this as an example as their are plenty of other non-religious, non Christmas "intolerant" displays around.
Tolerant society my *ss. We USED to be a tolerant society but not any more.
If you critisize Islam you risk being labeled a xenophobe, a bigot and a racist since most Muslims are quote "brown people". If you critisize Christians its ok since most white people are of that background. There is a double standard in this country, dont deny it. If its white its ok to tear it down.
And while im at, critisizing Jews is often not done to for obvious reasons. Anti-semite, Jew hater etc is the risk. Politicians tread on ice when it comes to being critical of Israel for that very reason.
Wow, you guys are unbelievable... all I've learned from this thread is that I'm not a part of American culture, despite being a 3rd-generation American, and that your sole reason for not being hateful is because you're afraid of being called out for it. Nice Christmas spirit you've all got here! So with that, I say Chag Sameach, and thank goodness this crap is over tonight.
I'd certainly agree with that. While my co-worker can wear her head scarf - on the job - all day, I can't have a non-obtrusive figure of Santa Claus on my desk.
Or while I hear the wailings coming from a nearby minaret, I can't have 'holiday' lights in my yard. I can only imagine it's because the air is free but I have to pay for my electricity.
I'm sorry, but you're flat-out lying... nobody in the United States is prohibited from putting Christmas lights in their own yard, and nobody I know of is told not to put Christmas stuff on their personal desk. I work for the county government, and there was Christmas stuff as far as the eye could see this year - 3 trees alone in the library, along with Santas and everything else representing this holiday & others. Prove your statements, I dare you.
P.S. A more fair comparison to your Muslim co-worker would have been whether or not you're allowed to wear a cross necklace. If you are allowed to wear one to work, then your rights are equal.
Btw, do you find it ironic that a Jew is one of the few defending Muslims on this thread? Seems the biggest offenders and oppressors in this country don't wear a head scarf - or a yarmulke, for that matter.
Another point of irony, Jesus was born a Jew and lived in what's now called the Middle East. Right? So it's amusing that you'd consider his white-Christian followers the only true Americans, LOL. Also funny how you guys still insist on portraying him as a fair-skinned Aryan. WWJD? He'd tell you to love thy neighbors, and that all creatures great & small are equal on this earth.
Furthermore, do you not consider Black people a part of American culture, just because they're minorities? And what is American culture, anyway? Is it NASCAR & chicken wings, pizza & football, or burittos & soccer? Personally I think it's all of the above, but I guess some people are too ego-centric to see beyond themselves.
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