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Old 12-17-2011, 06:34 PM
 
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which part do you feel is being violated?
Pick any sentence and then you will know.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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where is the author wrong and what portion, what sentence, what word is incorrect? seems to place ALL his ducks in a row. Clearly proves, the "Two citizen-parent Birthers" are reading comprehension challenged.
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I read it when it came out a few weeks ago.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I was never worried that Obama might be a Kenyan. I was worried that he was a Keynesian.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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not at all, that is what lawyers do. he built his case, prove one item is incorrect.

on your side, your lonely side your Orly "legal" team is batting ZERO and has only offered convoluted arguments that nobody can follow. A court is never going to rule in favor of gibberish, that is what the birther case amounts to.
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The report is a monstrosity.The memo is pure propaganda.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:41 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Just one mans opinion and the Memo written by Jack Maskell is flawed and misleading.
Yep. Maskell had to misquote SCOTUS to support his opinion. That's a fatal flaw.

Maskell quoted SCOTUS as... “It is not disputed that if petitioner is the son” of two Chinese national citizens who were physically in the United
States when petitioner was born, then he is “a natural born American citizen ....”
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

However, SCOTUS's actual ruling is: "It is not disputed that if petitioner is the son of Kwock Tuck Lee and his wife, Tom Ying Shee, he was born to them when they were permanently domiciled in the United States, is a citizen thereof, and is entitled to admission to the country."
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Obama's father was never permanently domiciled in the U.S.

Maskell's CRS publication, linked in the OP and here in my post, can be ignored. It deliberately misquotes SCOTUS and is therefore fatally flawed.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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Well, he's not Chicago School.

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I was never worried that Obama might be a Kenyan. I was worried that he was a Keynesian.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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I don't know who this organization is or if they are non-partisan. It doesn't matter to me. I think the clearest evidence that he was born in Hawaii is the lack of documents from another birthplace. Kenya has proven to have better records than Hawaii. Canada? The same. If he was born elsewhere there would be a paper trail. Passport records, school records, or something similar.

He was born in Hawaii. I've never doubted that. His eligibility to serve is independent of his ability to perform the job...just saying.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Well, he's not Chicago School.
Well, Chicago School of Economics, no. Chicago School of Shady Politics, yes. I'm starting to think Obama's a punk.
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Old 12-17-2011, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Evergreen, Colorado
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Yep. Maskell had to misquote SCOTUS to support his opinion. That's a fatal flaw.

Maskell quoted SCOTUS as... “It is not disputed that if petitioner is the son” of two Chinese national citizens who were physically in the United
States when petitioner was born, then he is “a natural born American citizen ....”
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42097.pdf

However, SCOTUS's actual ruling is: "It is not disputed that if petitioner is the son of Kwock Tuck Lee and his wife, Tom Ying Shee, he was born to them when they were permanently domiciled in the United States, is a citizen thereof, and is entitled to admission to the country."
FindLaw | Cases and Codes

Obama's father was never permanently domiciled in the U.S. Maskell's CRS publication, linked in the OP, can be ignored. It deliberately misquotes SCOTUS and is therefore fatally flawed.
You are correct. There are many deceptions within the memo. In your reference, Maskell avoids the inconvenient truth that the Court took direct notice of the authorities having established that the petitioner’s father was born in the US and that he was a voter:

“…the father of the boy was native born and was a voter in that community.” Id. at 460

Maskell never mentions that the father and mother were US citizens at the time of petitioner’s birth in California. This deceitful exercise alone strips the entire memo of all credibility.

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Old 12-17-2011, 06:58 PM
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Location: Wisconsin
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On the one hand these idiots rant and rave because a baby born to illegal immigrants in the U.S. is a U.S. citizen at birth. On the other hand they claim that a baby born to a mother who is a U.S. citizen in the U.S. is not a U.S. citizen. If they ever tried to follow their silliness to a logical conclusion they'd get so dizzy they couldn't stand upright.
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