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Why are we building the Keystone XL? It is my understanding that it is to bring the crude from the Canadian tar sands down to Texas to refine it.
Just wondering why the Canadians don't refine their own products and ship those finished products and keep the waste and by-products up there. Seems like the pipelines needed would be a lot smaller.
We need it to prevent the TEXAS refinery owners from going broke as their worn out refineries shut down due to a scarcity of local crude oil. The pipeline is just another industrial subsidy from the government to the refinery owners. Let them refine the stuff in Canada and distribute it by rail in the US. Screw the TEXAS oil thieves.
Why are we building the Keystone XL? It is my understanding that it is to bring the crude from the Canadian tar sands down to Texas to refine it.
Just wondering why the Canadians don't refine their own products and ship those finished products and keep the waste and by-products up there. Seems like the pipelines needed would be a lot smaller.
Uhm, I'm sure none of us know all of the angles, but why would we turn down the opportunity to create jobs? Whether 500 or 50,000. This is the puzzler.
Then, maybe not, because in politics jobs get connected to constituencies. The green and anti-oil constituencies must be more important to Obama's campaign, than the union pipefitters and teamsters constituencies, who would benefit from the job creation.
We need it to prevent the TEXAS refinery owners from going broke as their worn out refineries shut down due to a scarcity of local crude oil. The pipeline is just another industrial subsidy from the government to the refinery owners. Let them refine the stuff in Canada and distribute it by rail in the US. Screw the TEXAS oil thieves.
Do you have any information that supports your assertion that the pipeline will be built with government funds as opposed to private capital?
Why are we building the Keystone XL? It is my understanding that it is to bring the crude from the Canadian tar sands down to Texas to refine it.
Just wondering why the Canadians don't refine their own products and ship those finished products and keep the waste and by-products up there. Seems like the pipelines needed would be a lot smaller.
I wasn't aware that "we" were building anything. My understanding is that this is a private venture, paid for with private funding. Not some sort of public/private wealth redistribution program like Solindra or most of the other "green energy" programs our government subsidises on the backs of the taxpayer.
All "we" (meaning the US government) really needs to do is get the h*ll out of the way. Of course, that's more than this job-killing president can manage.
We need it to prevent the TEXAS refinery owners from going broke as their worn out refineries shut down due to a scarcity of local crude oil. The pipeline is just another industrial subsidy from the government to the refinery owners. Let them refine the stuff in Canada and distribute it by rail in the US. Screw the TEXAS oil thieves.
It's a partnership between private companies, not an industrial subsidy
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The project was originally developed as a partnership between TransCanada and ConocoPhillips. Certain parties who have agreed to make volume commitments to the Keystone expansion have an option to acquire up to a combined 15% equity ownership.[36]
One of such companies is Valero Energy Corporation.[38] On August 12, 2009, however, TransCanada received regulatory approval to purchase ConocoPhillips' interest in the project and is now the sole owner of the Keystone Pipeline System.[9]
- The jobs it will create are temporary.
- The oil being sent through it is not reserved for the US. It will be sold on the open market to the highest bidder, just like all other oil.
- Tar sands extraction is incredibly wasteful of water and other natural resources.
- It may or may not have negative environmental impact on the areas it runs through. Pipelines spring leaks all the time.
Uhm, I'm sure none of us know all of the angles, but why would we turn down the opportunity to create jobs? Whether 500 or 50,000. This is the puzzler.
If we want to create construction jobs, why not put these people to work repairing roads, bridges, and other infrastructure that is quite literally falling apart nationwide?
- The jobs it will create are temporary.
- The oil being sent through it is not reserved for the US. It will be sold on the open market to the highest bidder, just like all other oil.
- Tar sands extraction is incredibly wasteful of water and other natural resources.
- It may or may not have negative environmental impact on the areas it runs through. Pipelines spring leaks all the time.
Once again, "we" aren't building anything. Are you planning on going out and welding pipe or swinging a wrench? This is (or would be) a private project funded with private money.
As to the rest of your comments, while the construction jobs are temporary (much like any highway or infrastructure project) the result is a number of permanent jobs. Those operating and maintaining the pipeline, jobs at the production facilities and those at the refineries.
While not reserved for the US market, every dollar spend on this oil is a dollar not going to support the ME oil producers, or any number of other countries that don't much like us. I'm all for not giving money to third world theocracies.
If we also transport oil from the fields in ND through this pipeline, those jobs and companies pay taxes and royalties directly to the US government.
As to the environmental impacts....how likely is a stationary pipeline to leak as opposed to a 1500 foot long supertanker? What's quicker, shutting off a valve in a pipeline, or containing an oil spill from a damaged or sunken tanker? How severe are the leaks from the thousands of miles of existing pipelines in this country?
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