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Old 11-04-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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I'm guessing the OP hasn't actually read the bill. It is not about jobs. It is about growing the size of government (see establishment of infrastructure bank) and paying back yet another Obama donor/bundler (see LightSquared) with billion$ more borrowed from China.

Why would any self-respecting Democrat concerned about our national debt and his/her constituents vote for that? Oh wait, very few animals fit that description in the Democrat Party anymore.

The House has passed multiple jobs bills and sent them on to the Senate. Yet, Harry (the obstructionist) Reid will not allow any of them to come up for a vote. I think it is Harry Reid and his Progressive friends in the Senate who don't care a whip about jobs. YMMV.
not is the obama "jobs bill" about growing government, it does things like trade temporary small tax cuts on the workers, for permanent larger tax increases on the businesses that hire those workers. it also gives a pittance tax deduction for one year to those businesses to hire full time workers.

the "jobs bill" is pure rubbish and the democrats know it. a $5000 deduction if a business hires a full time worker? so the company pays out $25,000 per year in salary, along with another $5000 or so to train the new worker, and they get a $5000 tax credit. yeah that is going to go over like a lead balloon.

if we are going to create jobs in this country, other than government jobs, we are going to have to do the things needed to let private business expand by creating a business friendly environment in this country. until that happens, we are not going to create jobs in this country at a fast enough rate to grow our way out of this problem we have now.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Republicans have already voted for jobs. There are 15-20 bills sitting in the Senate's inbox that would help produce private sector jobs. Could they deal with that first please?
From today's NY Times:
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A competing Republican bill, which also failed on Thursday, was cobbled together in an attempt to make it appear as if the party has equally valid ideas on job creation and rebuilding. It would have extended the existing highway and public transportation financing for two years, paying for it with a $40 billion cut to other domestic programs. Republican senators also threw in a provision that would block the Environmental Protection Agency from issuing new clean air rules. Only in the fevered dreams of corporate polluters could that help create jobs.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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not is the obama "jobs bill" about growing government, it does things like trade temporary small tax cuts on the workers, for permanent larger tax increases on the businesses that hire those workers. it also gives a pittance tax deduction for one year to those businesses to hire full time workers.

the "jobs bill" is pure rubbish and the democrats know it. a $5000 deduction if a business hires a full time worker? so the company pays out $25,000 per year in salary, along with another $5000 or so to train the new worker, and they get a $5000 tax credit. yeah that is going to go over like a lead balloon.

if we are going to create jobs in this country, other than government jobs, we are going to have to do the things needed to let private business expand by creating a business friendly environment in this country. until that happens, we are not going to create jobs in this country at a fast enough rate to grow our way out of this problem we have now.
Oh really?

President Obama’s plan to spend $60 billion on infrastructure repairs pays for itself with a 0.7 percent surtax on people making more than $1 million.

Protecting millionaires and billionaires was more important to Senate Republicans than the thousands of construction jobs the bill would have helped create, or the millions of people who would have used the rebuilt roads, bridges and airports.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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not is the obama "jobs bill" about growing government, it does things like trade temporary small tax cuts on the workers, for permanent larger tax increases on the businesses that hire those workers. it also gives a pittance tax deduction for one year to those businesses to hire full time workers.

the "jobs bill" is pure rubbish and the democrats know it. a $5000 deduction if a business hires a full time worker? so the company pays out $25,000 per year in salary, along with another $5000 or so to train the new worker, and they get a $5000 tax credit. yeah that is going to go over like a lead balloon.

if we are going to create jobs in this country, other than government jobs, we are going to have to do the things needed to let private business expand by creating a business friendly environment in this country. until that happens, we are not going to create jobs in this country at a fast enough rate to grow our way out of this problem we have now.
The payroll tax holiday has been tried already under Obama and it did not work to stimulate the economy but it did work to place SS deeper in a hole. Should we keep repeating policies that don't work and place SS in further peril?

Plain and simple, if we are going to create economy changing jobs in this country it must come from production, manufacturing, technology, and energy; not from the service industry. Sevice industry jobs is the equivilent of money changing hands like laundry without adding anything new in the wash. Only production of tangible goods and the export and home consumption of those same goods builds a country's wealth.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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Oh really?

President Obama’s plan to spend $60 billion on infrastructure repairs pays for itself with a 0.7 percent surtax on people making more than $1 million.

Protecting millionaires and billionaires was more important to Senate Republicans than the thousands of construction jobs the bill would have helped create, or the millions of people who would have used the rebuilt roads, bridges and airports.
Do you still fail to realize that every single tax passed in this nation under the guise of "tax the rich" has come back to bite the middle class and hit them the hardest? (Clue: Income tax, Estate tax, AMT...)
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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Oh really?

President Obama’s plan to spend $60 billion on infrastructure repairs pays for itself with a 0.7 percent surtax on people making more than $1 million.

Protecting millionaires and billionaires was more important to Senate Republicans than the thousands of construction jobs the bill would have helped create, or the millions of people who would have used the rebuilt roads, bridges and airports.
how many times does it have to be explained to you that the rich DONT PAY TAXES in this country if they can pass them on to others? raise the taxes on those making more than $1 million, and those that own the businesses that make that kind of money will pass those taxes on down the line, and the middle class will end up paying those taxes in the form of higher prices, or lower quality items, or smaller portions, or a combination of all three. and the number of people making more than $1 million is small enough that the tax holiday will offset the supposed extra revenue the tax increase will supposedly bring in.

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The payroll tax holiday has been tried already under Obama and it did not work to stimulate the economy but it did work to place SS deeper in a hole. Should we keep repeating policies that don't work and place SS in further peril?

Plain and simple, if we are going to create economy changing jobs in this country it must come from production, manufacturing, technology, and energy; not from the service industry. Sevice industry jobs is the equivilent of money changing hands like laundry without adding anything new in the wash. Only production of tangible goods and the export and home consumption of those same goods builds a country's wealth.
absolutely!!
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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From today's NY Times:
Only liberals believe the NYT's
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:47 PM
 
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This is a short video about Republicans not helping the American economy and Americans by voting down job creation.


Not one Republican will vote for jobs - YouTube

Proof again the GOP doesn't give a damn in the slightest about creating jobs, balancing the budget and most importantly, honoring the wishes of the american people. All they care about is bankrolling the rich and their corporate cronies.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Not One Republican Will Vote For Jobs
Oooh oooh, I can play the "frame the statement" game too. See, watch:

"Not one Democrat will vote against bankrupting the country."

That was fun.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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This is a short video about Republicans not helping the American economy and Americans by voting down job creation.


Not one Republican will vote for jobs - YouTube
Hurray for the anti-job party...dat be da Dcats.
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