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Old 11-02-2011, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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The Keystone XL pipeline is an idea whose time has come. The $7 billion project would create over 100,000 jobs, pump 1.3 million barrels of oil a day from Alberta to the Gulf Coast, reduce the United States’ dependence on unethical oil from the Middle East, and make Canada into the fifth largest oil exporter in the world. A win-win on both sides of the border, ensuring energy security and employment for decades to come.


Add to this the opposition of Evironmental groups, who staged a protest last week in South Dakota, as well as demonstrators in Washington, D.C., who plan to encircle the White House on November 6, and you have the makings of a giant headache for politicians in the U.S. – and here at home.

With the 2012 election fast approaching, and his popularity in the ditch, President Barack Obama can’t risk alienating an already peeved environmentalist constituency, who feel that he hasn’t done enough on green issues. At the same time, unemployment hovers just below 9%, and jobless Americans are loathe to turn their backs on a project that could put so many of them back to work.

What happens to the oil industry if the project is delayed, or worse, scrapped? Pipeline capacity for western oil exports is projected to max out by 2016, which would stall expansion of the oil sands and curb economic growth in the region. Some analysts predict that even if Keystone is built, capacity and market saturation in the United States will oblige Canada to look to other markets, such as Asia, through projects such as Enbridge’s Northern Gateway pipeline, which would transport oil to Canada’s West Coast.

As for the environmentalists, their big picture complaint is that Keystone will “lock in” the United States to dependence on oil for generations to come, rather than encouraging the development of alternate technologies such as solar and wind power. Of course it’s easy to preach the virtues of solar when you hail from sunny California, or to love wind farms when they aren’t droning on in your backyard. But the reality is that these forms of energy are simply too costly and unreliable to replace oil on a large scale – and if the crude doesn’t come from Canada, Americans will simply buy it elsewhere.


But in a presidential election year, anything can happen. Politics trumps economics at the best of times: scrapping the pipeline to shore up his Democratic base – and please a red state along the way – could be a tempting choice for a beleaguered president. TransCanada, beware: the pristine American West still retains its hold on the public’s imagination, even if most of the cowboys are long gone.

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Old 11-02-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Wow this is stupid just pass the OK for the pipeline and get 100,000 people back to work with well paying jobs.
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:34 AM
 
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Default Breaking news.....

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Wow this is stupid just pass the OK for the pipeline and get 100,000 people back to work with well paying jobs.
Midday Nov 10th, the Administration is going to postpone a decision on the Keystone Pipeline until after the 2012 elections.

America just got jobbed again by "the jobs president."

Some day, when the Obama Presidential Library is built, I hope they have a display about "jobs" so that our children and grandchildren have the opportunity to learn what a job was, back in the day when they had them.
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Texas
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50,000 now 100,000 jobs wow, maybe if we just wait a couple more weeks it will be 1,000,000 jobs!

Why instead of listening to the faux news propaganda readers and their minions don't we just ask the company behind the all job fixing pipeline how many jobs it will create and cut out the PR hacks? Hmm?

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CALGARY, Alberta - September 14, 2010 - TransCanada Corporation (TransCanada) (TSX, NYSE: TRP) today is pleased to announce a Project Labor Agreement for a significant portion of U.S. construction of the proposed US$7 billion Keystone Gulf Coast Expansion Pipeline Project (Keystone XL). The agreement will provide TransCanada with a capable, well-trained and ready workforce in the U.S. to construct Keystone XL. During construction, the project is expected to create over seven million hours of labor and over 13,000 new jobs for American workers.
U.S. Pipeline Contractors Association and Unions Pledge their Support for Keystone XL Project


Over 13,000 jobs. Now that's great...but NO WHERE near the hyper inflated bull-crap being spewed here and on the faux news network. Seriously, do you not think it's that easy to have the B.S. fact checked? You guys are good for some serious laughs though.
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Every post/thread/article about this has a different job number projection.
Now it's up to 100 thousand??
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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This is at least the third thread on this subject in as many days.
Also, the jobs created numbers was 40,000 in thread #1, 50,000 in thread #2, and now it's 100,000. Really?
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:51 AM
 
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This is at least the third thread on this subject in as many days.
Also, the jobs created numbers was 40,000 in thread #1, 50,000 in thread #2, and now it's 100,000. Really?
So do you want to tell these people who need the work to go screw off, the jobs aren't happening, whether it is 13,000, 40,000 or 13 million?
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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From what I've read about the sand extraction process in Canada, this is devastating to their environment. I would like to support the Keystone Project, but why not just drill the oil, it has much less environmental impact.
For that matter, we could just drill our own - isn't independence what the liberals say they want?
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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It only creates a handful of temporary jobs (the construction of the line) - maybe 4500.

Shipping by truck would create more long term jobs. But it's not to create jobs, it's to get the oil, to the refinery, and then to sea to ship. Nothing says any of it would end up in either the US or Canada.

Of course those that have been forced off their property are pretty happy about it.
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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50,000 now 100,000 jobs wow, maybe if we just wait a couple more weeks it will be 1,000,000 jobs!

Why instead of listening to the faux news propaganda readers and their minions don't we just ask the company behind the all job fixing pipeline how many jobs it will create and cut out the PR hacks? Hmm?



U.S. Pipeline Contractors Association and Unions Pledge their Support for Keystone XL Project


Over 13,000 jobs. Now that's great...but NO WHERE near the hyper inflated bull-crap being spewed here and on the faux news network. Seriously, do you not think it's that easy to have the B.S. fact checked? You guys are good for some serious laughs though.

Maybe the OP is confused....

"More than 118,000 person-years of employment" is what they used in one of the bullet points in the article that you linked to.

If all your workers are 26 years old, that comes to 4500 workers. If they are 45, thats 2600 workers doing welding and other temporary jobs.

(If you interpreted it as years working, it still comes out in the same range for a person working 20-25 years)
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