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"Far from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.
And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are."
And I would have to completely agree. Right on General Powell
"Far from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people.
And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are."
And I would have to completely agree. Right on General Powell
I agree, too. Of course many anti-Americans (many who are Americans) would not agree.
"Far from being the Great Satan, I would say that we are the Great Protector. We have sent men and women from the armed forces of the United States to other parts of the world throughout the past century to put down oppression. We defeated Fascism. We defeated Communism. We saved Europe in World War I and World War II. We were willing to do it, glad to do it. We went to Korea. We went to Vietnam. All in the interest of preserving the rights of people. And when all those conflicts were over, what did we do? Did we stay and conquer? Did we say, "Okay, we defeated Germany. Now Germany belongs to us? We defeated Japan, so Japan belongs to us"? No. What did we do? We built them up. We gave them democratic systems which they have embraced totally to their soul. And did we ask for any land? No, the only land we ever asked for was enough land to bury our dead. And that is the kind of nation we are."
And I would have to completely agree. Right on General Powell
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I agree, too. Of course many anti-Americans (many who are Americans) would not agree.
Do you guys honestly think it's democracy that we are interested in?
If you have a reference for this "Quote" then let's have it cause I'm calling it BS. Churchill hated the Nazis and everything they stood for. Unlike a lot of other political leaders of the time that saw some good things about Hitler and his programmes, Churchill was TOTALLY opposed to them right from the start. This opposition put Churchill in political oblivion for many years until other people began to wake up.
I must also add that FDR also knew the Nazis for what they were right from the get go unlike most of the American right wing of the time that wished they could import many of those ideas to the USA.
I don't think I'd go down that road if I were you .... while American soldiers (and many others) were fighting the Nazis in WWII .... American corporations still had factories operating in Germany ... which were off limits to allied bombing. Some of those factories produced some of the military hardware that was actually used against us.
Prescott Bush, father of President Bush Senior, was actually charged by the US Congress under the "Trading with the enemy" act, and had his banking operation and assets seized. He was involved in handling the majority of Nazi capital investment and banking in the US, even as the war was in full operation.
Furthermore, many of those dastardly Nazis were brought here after the war ... some were the foundation of NASA and the US space program. Some Nazis were incorporated into the medical/pharmaceutical establishment. Check out the history of "Operation Paperclip" for more details. So, there is the history they teach you in school, and then there is reality, which offers a completely different picture than the illusion created for the public.
And just for the record, this is not America hating rhetoric or "self loathing" ... this is simple honesty and a willingness to confront reality. The facts are, by and large, we the people are the good guys who wear the white hats. This image of ourselves is perfectly valid, because those values are what we have always embraced. Just because our government officials have violated those principles repeatedly (and unbeknown to us) changes nothing insofar as what "America Stands For" ... because it is we the people that personify those values, even though our behind the scenes behavior has not lived up to those ideals.
This is WHY we need to be honest and deal with the reality instead of the illusion .... then we can correct those things that don't reflect our values, and actually be who we think we are.
I've got to agree with a lot of those points. We have a terrible record of human rights violations, supporting human rights violators, and corruption of governments in the mid-East, Central, and South America.
And we have the nerve to lecture the world on freedom, democracy, and human rights?
I don't think the problem is with average Americans--we've been quite humbled over the last 30 years as we watched prosperity die and the future stretching ever downward.
The problem is with our leaders. We as a nation seem to exclusively pick the WRONG people to put in power--in both business and government. It wasn't like this in the 1970s.
Something changed as pathological Narcissism become more common. Americans love "self confidence," and worship it when it becomes pathological--as in the case of Narcissists. We take people at their word when they say they know everything. And overall we don't understand that anyone who says they know everything DOESN'T. Look at the geniuses in every field--the people who know the most about a certain subject of any human on the planet, and they will NEVER say they know everything about the subject. They understand that that there are always levels of complexity not yet understood.
In terms of choosing political leaders, of course most of the politicians in Washington are high on the pathological narcissism scale. Which is why we need to look at what they've done in the past. As long as they truly value the values and ideas they are campaigning with, their narcissism won't detract from their performance.
What we need to be careful of is the fact that a pathological narcissist will say and promise ANYTHING to get elected, because it is the glory and power of the job they crave. They'll immediately cave on all the promises and reforms, because those were just a means to an end (power). This is President Obama in a nutshell: promise whatever everyone wants to hear during the campaign, criticize everything Bush does, and then when elected turn around 180 degrees and do EXACTLY what Bush did because that's what rich and powerful--who now form his "peer group"--want. Contrast this to Ron Paul, who has consistently fought the bankrupting foreign wars, the growth of government, the excesses of taxes and regulation for his entire career. REFORM is his goal--not wealth and power, not celebrity, and not "the path of least resistance."
We need to stop hiring actors and rock stars for high public office. What this nation needs, if it is to survive, is a total overhaul of government. And we aren't going to get it with any of the mainstream status quo Republicrat politicians, that's for sure.
The proof is in the pudding. We are still the chosen goal of the lions share of immigrants around the world. When was the last time you saw Americans lined up to become Russian or Chinese Citizens?
This self loathing attitude that the Left puts out there is bunk. It doesn't get any better than here in the USA in spite of our issues. All you have to look at it the people who are lining up to get in to see the evidence!
nice post.
the article is written by yet another harvard malcontent, given every advantage that an ivy league degree can give you in this country. (advantages that some people will never have). harvard seems to have a bunch of malcontents in their professors, YET they are the primary architects of the modern wall street. what is the primary cause of the imbalance that america now faces--wall street fraud and manipulation, ramping up leverage and high frequency trading, and socializing the losses on the backs of american citizens?
how ironic is that?
i suggest that we start with representatives who are FOR americans and the american dream, and quit listening to the malcontent self-loathers.
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I've got to agree with a lot of those points. We have a terrible record of human rights violations, supporting human rights violators, and corruption of governments in the mid-East, Central, and South America.
And we have the nerve to lecture the world on freedom, democracy, and human rights?
terrible record of human rights violations?
would you rather have the USA nuke the coutries we are at war with or kick some terrorists ass?
We took prayer out of schools, we have become mortally corrupt and it shows in our government and free market.
The moral fiber of this country is frayed. Corruption involves greed. Where power and money is, there is greed if there is no moral uprightness .
This nation was formed under God and Godly principals. We are now rich and powerful without the blessing of God on us. We have kicked God out of many areas and replaced it with humanism in our culture.
We are fed with ideas of wealth and power instead of humble Godly appreciation of what we have been given.
It was greed that has brought us down. Our leaders believe we are too big to fail. What a falsehood.
We really need to clean house and make some examples of the ones who lied and cheated. There is no penalty today for the greedy ones who ruined it for the whole nation.Our government does nothing to the ones who let this economic crisis happen . We keep the same crooks in and let them continue to lie to us. If anything, we should protest and send the guilty ones who created the worst world crisis in history to jail .
We took prayer out of schools, we have become mortally corrupt and it shows in our government and free market.
The moral fiber of this country is frayed. Corruption involves greed. Where power and money is, there is greed if there is no moral uprightness .
This nation was formed under God and Godly principals. We are now rich and powerful without the blessing of God on us. We have kicked God out of many areas and replaced it with humanism in our culture.
We are fed with ideas of wealth and power instead of humble Godly appreciation of what we have been given.
It was greed that has brought us down. Our leaders believe we are too big to fail. What a falsehood.
We really need to clean house and make some examples of the ones who lied and cheated. There is no penalty today for the greedy ones who ruined it for the whole nation.Our government does nothing to the ones who let this economic crisis happen . We keep the same crooks in and let them continue to lie to us. If anything, we should protest and send the guilty ones who created the worst world crisis in history to jail .
RELIGION is; if not THE problem a significant part of it!
During election campaigns you have these rep's making claims to believe in religious principles then when elected you act surprised to find out their feet are made of clay!
Religion should play no part whatsoever in choosing your leaders and further; should be AVOIDED! Anybody claiming to have inroads to god should be sent to the farm and told to pick fruit for a living as he's got no tools in his bag for the running of a country.
Give me a leader who believes in the basic tenet of treating people the way he would desire to be treated and keep those moronic religious nuts out of the big chair.
A foreign policy that divorces "expansionism" out of the equation is hard to imagine but achievable if you also divorce corporate interests from the same equation.
The problem comes from the guy that gets the most campaign donations being able to buy the "office". Your forefathers would roll over if they knew they'd created a system that allowed the chequebook to run the show.
RELIGION is; if not THE problem a significant part of it!
During election campaigns you have these rep's making claims to believe in religious principles then when elected you act surprised to find out their feet are made of clay!
Religion should play no part whatsoever in choosing your leaders and further; should be AVOIDED! Anybody claiming to have inroads to god should be sent to the farm and told to pick fruit for a living as he's got no tools in his bag for the running of a country.
Give me a leader who believes in the basic tenet of treating people the way he would desire to be treated and keep those moronic religious nuts out of the big chair.
A foreign policy that divorces "expansionism" out of the equation is hard to imagine but achievable if you also divorce corporate interests from the same equation.
The problem comes from the guy that gets the most campaign donations being able to buy the "office". Your forefathers would roll over if they knew they'd created a system that allowed the chequebook to run the show.
That in bold is a religious belief. The biblical one.
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