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Old 09-22-2011, 09:22 PM
 
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I used to hear democrats like Pelosi, Reid and Obama complain bitterly about the national debt, and deficit spending by GW Bush. At one point GW Bush was referred to as being unpatriotic for amassing $4 trillion in debt.

Are there any democrats left that are upset about the $14.5 trillion debt and $1.6 trillion in deficit spending? It's my understanding that Obama has added $800 billion or so to the baseline of the national budget, which accounts for at least half of the $1.6 trillion deficit.

I don't hear these same democrats calling for cutting the government spending or charges of it being unpatriotic to amass so much national debt onto the nation, and our children who will have to repay it all.

All I hear from democrats is a cry to raise taxes, and increase spending. Gone, it seems, are the democrats who claimed to be fiscal hawks during the Bush presidency.

If you are a democrat and want to rein in this out of control spending, where are you, and why are you so silent?
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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I used to hear democrats like Pelosi, Reid and Obama complain bitterly about the national debt, and deficit spending by GW Bush. At one point GW Bush was referred to as being unpatriotic for amassing $4 trillion in debt.

Are there any democrats left that are upset about the $14.5 trillion debt and $1.6 trillion in deficit spending? It's my understanding that Obama has added $800 billion or so to the baseline of the national budget, which accounts for at least half of the $1.6 trillion deficit.

I don't hear these same democrats calling for cutting the government spending or charges of it being unpatriotic to amass so much national debt onto the nation, and our children who will have to repay it all.

All I hear from democrats is a cry to raise taxes, and increase spending. Gone, it seems, are the democrats who claimed to be fiscal hawks during the Bush presidency.

If you are a democrat and want to rein in this out of control spending, where are you, and why are you so silent?
I'm a liberal who is for a balanced budget and against deficit spending except in the case when you are in a severe economic downturn. In that one case...deficit spending can help lessen the recession.

Taxes on the wealthy should be permanently raised and military spending should be cut in order to balance the budget.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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they used to also complain about people living in the street, in their cars and not having jobs when bush was president. I guess they saw the future, it is them.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:32 PM
 
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I'm a liberal who is for a balanced budget and against deficit spending except in the case when you are in a severe economic downturn. In that one case...deficit spending can help lessen the recession. Taxes on the wealthy should be permanently raised and military spending should be cut in order to balance the budget.
I agree and 80% of the useless slobs on welfare should be made to work for their free benefits .
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:32 PM
 
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I'm a liberal who is for a balanced budget and against deficit spending except in the case when you are in a severe economic downturn. In that one case...deficit spending can help lessen the recession. Taxes on the wealthy should be permanently raised and military spending should be cut in order to balance the budget.
So there are some folks on the left who are still in favor of keeping the debt down.

A question, have you been vocal about the current debt, or are you at least upset at the debt and the very little we have to show for it?

Maybe the $4-5 trillion in debt we have spent was done unwisely, was poorly managed or was just corporate and political cronyism on an historic level, either way, it did not seem to work.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:37 PM
 
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So there are some folks on the left who are still in favor of keeping the debt down.

A question, have you been vocal about the current debt, or are you at least upset at the debt and the very little we have to show for it?

Maybe the $4-5 trillion in debt we have spent was done unwisely, was poorly managed or was just corporate and political cronyism on an historic level, either way, it did not seem to work.
Please give us the name of one liberal who does not favor a balanced budget when not in the middle of an economic downturn? They don't exist.

It's yet another one of your right wing myths. That "conservatives" are better regarding the budget than liberals.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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I used to hear democrats like Pelosi, Reid and Obama complain bitterly about the national debt, and deficit spending by GW Bush. At one point GW Bush was referred to as being unpatriotic for amassing $4 trillion in debt.

Are there any democrats left that are upset about the $14.5 trillion debt and $1.6 trillion in deficit spending? It's my understanding that Obama has added $800 billion or so to the baseline of the national budget, which accounts for at least half of the $1.6 trillion deficit.

I don't hear these same democrats calling for cutting the government spending or charges of it being unpatriotic to amass so much national debt onto the nation, and our children who will have to repay it all.

All I hear from democrats is a cry to raise taxes, and increase spending. Gone, it seems, are the democrats who claimed to be fiscal hawks during the Bush presidency.

If you are a democrat and want to rein in this out of control spending, where are you, and why are you so silent?
Do you remember when Vice President Cheney famously said that deficits don't matter? Said when the debt was at a record level. And now.... it matters.

When I was little I hated everything my little brother loved, and loved everything he hated. When he started to like something I liked, I started to hate it. Again, we weren't even ten, what is Congress' excuse?
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:40 PM
 
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So there are some folks on the left who are still in favor of keeping the debt down.

A question, have you been vocal about the current debt, or are you at least upset at the debt and the very little we have to show for it?

Maybe the $4-5 trillion in debt we have spent was done unwisely, was poorly managed or was just corporate and political cronyism on an historic level, either way, it did not seem to work.
The "debt" is primarily caused by the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, compounded by Obama's extension of those same cuts and his own new tax cuts. Other big factors are needless wars, increased unemployment benefits paid out due to the economic downturn, and more people on medicare due to the economic downturn.

It's a right wing "myth" that Obama has these new programs that have increased spending.....Bull crap!
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:41 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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I'm a liberal who is for a balanced budget and against deficit spending except in the case when you are in a severe economic downturn. In that one case...deficit spending can help lessen the recession.

Taxes on the wealthy should be permanently raised and military spending should be cut in order to balance the budget.
^^^ I agree with this. If the economy were doing fine now, I'd still be against deficit spending. Government needs to save during the good times so that when the bad times hit, you can afford to spend the money to help others.
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Old 09-22-2011, 09:50 PM
 
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I used to hear democrats like Pelosi, Reid and Obama complain bitterly about the national debt, and deficit spending by GW Bush. At one point GW Bush was referred to as being unpatriotic for amassing $4 trillion in debt.

Are there any democrats ...ou so silent?
Here is something that you obviously don't realize. The only way to resuscitate this country from a Bush/Republican-damaged economy is to raise taxes (esp on those who benefited mightily under Bush) and SPEND to nation-build here at home.

It makes no sense for Republicans to support Bush's wrecking of the economy during his terms, while he attempted to nation-build abroad, then scream about the state that we're in post-Bush as a way to oppose this black man as President. Cutting spending and screaming about the deficit is meaningless when we're trying to fix an economy broken by Republicans under Bush.

Also, if cutting spending and no taxes were the answer, then Bush would NOT have given President Obama a record deficit and an economy headed for a sure Depression. Republicans continue to stink up the joint with their nonsense and the country continues to suffer as a result.

Dems don't complain about spending and a deficit until a Republican is in office because Republicans haven't a clue on how to run an economy or avoid building a record deficit. If Preisdent Obama were not hampered by a Republican Congress and Supreme Court, we'd be headed for another surplus and the economy would be booming again.
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