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Old 09-09-2011, 07:48 PM
 
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The state and local authorities can help out. If the guard is needed then call em in to help in the recovery. Red Cross seems pretty good at helping folks out along with many other charities. Of course some of them believe in God so libs think there's something wrong with em. Handing out debit cards and building folks new homes is not the job of the government.
Helping folks out in an emergency is exactly what a government of the people, by the people and for the people is about. Red Cross, National Guard (another excellent government agency by the way!) especially God (who created the natural disaster if you were to believe God is orchestrating everything). All good, but a government, a strong central government helps everyone get through some of the toughest times until they can get on their feet again and help the next person in need.
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Old 09-09-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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Then the President can declare a Disaster area on his own, if he so chooses.

A question I haven't seen an answer to:

Are the areas burned places that historically had natural wildfires from lightning strikes. If so, has the past practice been to extinguish all fires, leaving more piles of flammables every time?

If that's the case then, unfortunately, these fires were overdue. The Park Service changed its fire suppression policy a number of years ago to only fight those naturally occurring fires that threatened buildings. They discovered that putting out all fires was actually harming the habitat when flora had evolved that needed periodic fires to be healthy.
Just an unfortunate accident caused by electrical lines hitting each other during bad windstorms and hideous drought.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:15 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Just an unfortunate accident caused by electrical lines hitting each other during bad windstorms and hideous drought.


That was a smaller fire near Lake Travis. Not the Bastrop fire 35 miles away, that they still don't know the cause that started it.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:28 PM
 
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Social problems created by the government are now the church's fault? I'm not getting defensive but your thinking that the government is supposed to provide everything for everybody does get me a bit riled. That is not what the government is for.

No liberal I know thinks government needs to provide everything to everybody.... thats ridiculous. The government is a helping hand, a leg up... If we can feed the entire herd of large corporate CEO's , and Wall Street hedge fund pigs....I think we can help someone in a poor rural community rebuild their home with a low cost loan, or feed some children at least one decent meal a day.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:30 PM
 
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The forest service used to have controlled burns to eliminate all the dead trees and sticks and the like. That was all stopped while Clinton was president. They are nothing but fuel for these fires now which is why they continue to get worse. Gotta save the dead trees though.

the texas fires had nothing to do with dead trees by the way.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:32 PM
 
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Fema is nowhere to be found down here.

It is all local volunteers. Our neighborhood is rounding up stuff to take to Bastrop this weekend.
TP, toothpaste, tooth brushes, combs, brushes, soap, Dog food......

Probably because Texas doesn't want any "feds" guvemint folks in their state. But if they did, they'd get help.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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I stumbled onto a facebook group after the tornado in Tuscaloosa. The Auburn fans started it and what the were doing was amazing. Somebody would put up a post that we need X and somebody else would say hey we got it but need a truck and somebody with a truck would say I'll be there and bada boom the goods got where they were needed. No red tape no bureaucracy just get er done.

Just because the government can help in rebuilding communities with low cost loans (not handouts), doesn't mean that citizen shouldn't continue to help their neighbors.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:41 PM
 
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Did I say that? Fact is FEMA is out of money. That's what happens when the government decides to pay for natural disasters.
2011 will be remembered as the year of the multiple billion dollar disasters.

It's not over. La Nina has strengthened again after subsiding. Continues drought for TX and Western OK? ??? More flooding? ????

Wait and see, I guess.
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Old 09-09-2011, 08:43 PM
 
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The forest service used to have controlled burns to eliminate all the dead trees and sticks and the like. That was all stopped while Clinton was president. They are nothing but fuel for these fires now which is why they continue to get worse. Gotta save the dead trees though.
Have you ever heard a thing called drought? Severe drought? There's something I want to say, but shall not.
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Old 09-10-2011, 05:56 AM
 
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I would have expected the two largest critics of FEMA and government intervention, both from a state which has sought government largess from the hurricane in Galveston to the fires now burning, would have provided the best long term solutions. I find none.

Perry had been non stop on the phone looking for money since the hurricanes, and continues to this day. Paul says we have no money, and of course, he's correct. But these two are running for President, and offer no solutions. Perry had decisions to make, and sharply cut the budgets for Texas volunteer fire departments as well as the forest services. That was their decision. The timing of the fires provides a unique look into how those two would deal with these type of issues. Not great timing for them personally, but for voters.

I'm not faulting their stance on controlling government spending, just their lack of solutions.
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