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Old 09-08-2011, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Doesn't seem to me that you have read the article in its entirety, If you had, you'd see that the way they are going about improving life for the average working American is is opposition to what would actually work. All they have done is fight tooth and nail for the policies that only further improve circumstances for the wealthy, Wall Street, Corporate America, etc.

They have been mute on issues such as outsourcing, fair trade and regulating the banksters. OMG...this is so obvious.


You do realize that often what is good for the wealthy is also good for the poor?

Taxing private jets and yachts puts the people who build private jets and yachts out of work.

Accelerating depreciation schedules to encourage business to make capital investments helps large corporations and the very wealthy, but it also helps the workers who make the equipment, the salesperson who makes a commission from the sale of the equipment and the support personnel who install and service the new item.


As for outsourcing, fair trade and bank regulation, the Tea Party Movement wasn't in control of the House from 2007 to 2011, doesn't control the Senate and doesn't much approve of the current president who has done nothing to address the very issues you raise, and this in direct contradiction to his campaign promises. Partial credit can be given for Dodd-Frank, but even that does nothing to break up financial institutions still too large to fail. The driving issues behind outsourcing and our trade deficits (burdensome regulation and excessive marginal corporate tax rates) remains unaddressed.

Your rigid them vs. us ideology may not permit you to see that making the US the very best place to do business for large international corporations can benefit all of us.
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:18 AM
 
Location: 77441
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The corrupt powers that be have manipulated and seduced an ill informed and weak minded bunch of ignorant people to believe that bowing down to corporate entities, Voodoo Economics and Wall Street thievery will actually improve their lives and recapture the good old days. They are too stupid to understand how they are feeding the beast and actually hurting this nation beyond repair.

that is as fine of a description of a Democrat as Ive ever read in my entire life, well done !
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:22 AM
 
Location: CA
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You do realize that often what is good for the wealthy is also good for the poor?

Taxing private jets and yachts puts the people who build private jets and yachts out of work.

Accelerating depreciation schedules to encourage business to make capital investments helps large corporations and the very wealthy, but it also helps the workers who make the equipment, the salesperson who makes a commission from the sale of the equipment and the support personnel who install and service the new item.


As for outsourcing, fair trade and bank regulation, the Tea Party Movement wasn't in control of the House from 2007 to 2011, doesn't control the Senate and doesn't much approve of the current president who has done nothing to address the very issues you raise, and this in direct contradiction to his campaign promises. Partial credit can be given for Dodd-Frank, but even that does nothing to break up financial institutions still too large to fail. The driving issues behind outsourcing and our trade deficits (burdensome regulation and excessive marginal corporate tax rates) remains unaddressed.

Your rigid them vs. us ideology may not permit you to see that making the US the very best place to do business for large international corporations can benefit all of us.

Agree 1000%... Liberals little secret is they know that the Rich (they love to tax and demonize so much) create 90% of the jobs!!!
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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What I want is the complete destruction of crony capitalism and the American way of Greed. I want to establish free markets and actual capitalism with real rewards and real risk for all investors.

Is that radical enough?
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Old 09-08-2011, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Have you ever stopped and looked at how many BIG business companies contribute immensely to the D-cat left? How many CEOs are Dcats, Immelt, Buffet, and just about all Hollywierd companies fit the bill!
The Business Communities and special interests are equal opportunity buyers of Politicians. That has always been the case, and will be, until the money is removed from the campaign process.
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Old 09-08-2011, 06:32 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The Business Communities and special interests are equal opportunity buyers of Politicians. That has always been the case, and will be, until the money is removed from the campaign process.


Another reason to repeal the 17th amendment
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You've bought the bull **** demonization of the "not rich" hook line and sinker.

And you still have not explained how bowing down to Corporate and Wall Street dominance and corruption is going to fix things. Voodoo economics does not work and never will. The Tea Party might have been a grassroots movement way back when, but now it is a hijacked Neocon agenda...nothing more nothing less. Keep beating the dead horse. Supporting what the Tea Party has morphed into is just about the stupidest and least patriotic thing any American can do.
And I'm still waiting for you to identify who the hell the spokesperson for the TEA party is. What is the specific web site for the TEA party, and who is the leader of the TEA party. You must have this info, since some Neocon has apparently just taken over the TEA party, and morphed this TEA party into something.

Show us who this person or group is, so we can verify everything you are saying, otherwise your just creating a strawman and slaying mythical dragons.
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Old 09-08-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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The Tea Partiers are just the latest in a long series of people that have fallen victim to corporate shills and hucksters. The corporate puppetmasters that are the true power behind the Tea Party movement have convinced the members that the only way to achieve an idealized version of an American that has never existed but that large numbers of people crave is to place all power and trust into the hands of the ultra wealthy. What I find absurd is that the people the Tea Partiers want to give control of the government to are the very same people that have outsourced their jobs, raised their health insurance premiums and fed the pockets of lobbyists to shift more of the burden of paying for society to the middle class.

The Tea Party movement is a mass market variety of the Stockholm Syndrome. They actually believe that the only way to stop the abuse is to become more friendly with the abusers.
You really believe this stuff, don't you? You were fed a load of propaganda by the likes of Nancy Pelosi who, seeing the effect that tea party rallies were having on the national debate on the Democrat agenda and, rather than engage the tea party concerns and arguments, she and her allies in the media began demonizing tea partiers as racists, corporate pawns and any other pejorative they could muster. And you internalized that tripe so that it has become truth to you.

In reality tea partiers are a rag-tag lot with varying ideas and agendas united only by their fear that this country is heading in the wrong direction and that the present course is so perilous for the future of our nation that they needed to stand up and say something before it was too late. If you bothered to speak to actual tea party members you would find that they have no great love for crony captialists who got bailed out at tax payer expense, including banks, brokerage houses, insurance companies, automobile companies, etc. Tea partiers understand that it is the unholy marriage between special interests of all types and our elected officials that is killing this country. You want to talk about the military-industrial complex? Well, Eisenhower didn't know the half of it. Crony capitalism has corrupted capitalism so that supply and demand are no longer operative in regulating the economy. And liberal special interests, like the environmental movement and the global warming crowd, are strangling what's left of a free economy.

The system is collapsing under its own weight and bubble gum and baling wire can't keep it together anymore. Look at Europe and, in particualr, countries like Greece and see our very real and very near future. The tea partiers are sounding the alarm but people like Pelosi and Reid (and yourself) want to perpetuate the fallacy that all will be well if we just do some tinkering around the edges--in other words, more of the same. The status quo is killing us. Stop trying to prop it up.
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Texas
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People can only produce and consume so much. How much useless trash can we really buy on borrowed money before the *** is up. Everyone seems to be looking for a way to get people to start buying and borrowing at an ungodly rate again. Maybe that ship has sailed. Maybe we are and should be heading toward a more frugal way of living. Not a lower standard of living, just a reasonable one. Live within your means.

Viva la Tea Party
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Old 09-08-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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The Tea Party, of course, came about as a result of many people arguing about which type of tea is best.

You have the Green Tea Party, which opposes the Black Tea party. Both unit in opposition to the Oolong Tea party, mainly on the basis that 'Oolong' is not a real word, but invented by 'foreign types'.

The White Tea supporters vigorously oppose the other tea people. Then, you have the "Pu-erh" tea party supporters. However, everybody ignores the Pu-erh people, calling them Tea Partiers In Name Only (or, TPNO).

As for the cargo issue: tea is, of course, transported in cargo boxes, many left over from World War II. Those who believe that tea should ONLY be transported in WWII era cargo boxes have formed a 'cult', which has surprisingly small dues to join, although you must also spend a night in a haunted cargo box to prove your worth.

Recall that it was Ross Perot who warned about the coming tea issues, even saying that we would all someday hear a 'sucking sound' indicative of millions of tea drinkers. Of course, he was chastised by Mr. Reagan who pointed out that it would be more of a 'slurping' sound. They have not spoken since.
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