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Old 07-22-2011, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Metro-Detroit area
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I find it funny that the OP is ONLY NOW complaining about hypocrisy and partisan politics when this as been going on, on both sides for decades. Case in point, HC plan taken directly from the repubs, Ryans budget plan will add to the deficit and require the need for the debt ceiling to be raised....but only the dems are hypocrits and playing partisan politics. Guess she hasn't shaken hands with the kettle yet
Five years ago I thought unprotected sex was okay, today a complete 365 degree turn around.

I guess changing your mind due to changing circumstances is now prima facie evidence of hypocrisy.

Who woulda thought....only Conservatives..
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Old 07-22-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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We kicked out 15 of the 20, give us more time so we can get rid of the last 5.
Um, I don't think most were "kicked out." Here's a list of the initial cosponsors of the Individual Mandate (all Republicans):

(No Longer in the Senate - "Kicked Out" as you put it)
Jesse Helms
Bob Dole
Strom Thurmond
Trent Lott
Larry Craig
Ted Stevens
Frank Murkowski
Alan Simpson
Bob Bennett
Hank Brown
Lauch Faircloth
Paul Coverdell
Conrad Burns
Judd Gregg
Dirk Kempthorne
Connie Mack
Bob Smith
Malcolm Wallop

(Still In the Senate)
Orrin Hatch
Charles Grassley
Kay Bailey Hutchison
Daniel Coats
Thad Cochran
Richard Lugar
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Old 07-22-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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sanrene,

The Republicans passing that bill KNEW it was not going to make it through the Senate. They're just playing politics to appeal to simpletons. Passing something you know is DOA is not trying to get things done. It's passing the buck to try to appeal to your base.

Instead of being mad at Democrats, you might want to ask yourself why people would pass bills that they know won't work or even why Republicans didn't do any of this themselves when they had full control of the House, Senate and Presidency during the last decade.
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Old 07-22-2011, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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So did Elizabeth Warren, as recently as 2007, as the WSJ editorial page pointed out.
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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sanrene,

The Republicans passing that bill KNEW it was not going to make it through the Senate. They're just playing politics to appeal to simpletons. Passing something you know is DOA is not trying to get things done. It's passing the buck to try to appeal to your base.

Instead of being mad at Democrats, you might want to ask yourself why people would pass bills that they know won't work or even why Republicans didn't do any of this themselves when they had full control of the House, Senate and Presidency during the last decade.
Excuse me, but it was defeated 51-46, NOT a landslide defeat at all.

Since it is THE ONLY plan, since obama and the dems HAVE NO PLAN, nothing on paper, it was the right thing to do.

Oh, the public seems to agree with the plan too.
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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The same old tired dog and pony show. The GOP pandering to the extreme right as they continue to do nothing to create jobs and put all their efforts into further enriching the rich.

Remember when we would criticize House Republicans for having no plan for the deficit? Well, they’ve managed to come up with a plan that’s worse than nothing. Last night they passed their “cut, cap, and balance” deficit reduction plan. The plan is utterly unworkable, and it will never become law. That’s the best you can say for Congressional Republican ideas—they’re terrible, but at least they have no chance of becoming reality.
Randi Rhodes
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So did Elizabeth Warren, as recently as 2007, as the WSJ editorial page pointed out.
Is she a senator/

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Excuse me, but it was defeated 51-46, NOT a landslide defeat at all.

Since it is THE ONLY plan, since obama and the dems HAVE NO PLAN, nothing on paper, it was the right thing to do.

Oh, the public seems to agree with the plan too.
Is there a difference between a landslide defeat and some other kind of defeat? Is one less defeated by a non-landslide defeat.
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Is she a senator/



Is there a difference between a landslide defeat and some other kind of defeat? Is one less defeated by a non-landslide defeat.
Considering Reid couldn't get the votes to filibuster and the vote was close, it certainly deserved a vote.
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Okay Democrats on here. Tell me why this was a bad bill. So far all I've seen is your defense of the Democrats because the Republicans have been hypocritical in the past (not gonna argue that one because it's true). I don't care if a Democrat or Republican proposed this bill, it was a good idea. So give me some concrete reasons.
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Old 07-23-2011, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Considering Reid couldn't get the votes to filibuster and the vote was close, it certainly deserved a vote.
That's not an answer to the questions in my post.

My senator favors a balanced budget, but no one that is so inflexible.

Sen. Mark Udall pushes for balanced budget amendment - The Denver Post
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