Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-21-2011, 12:07 AM
 
29,407 posts, read 22,026,302 times
Reputation: 5455

Advertisements

And of course tax the banks. So private bonholders are supposed to bail out the wild spending of greece along with taxes on banks that will be passed on to private citizens. Yep riots coming when they realize this mess they're being dealt.

"In an attempt to assuage the rising panic across Europe, Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister, said that Mr Sarkozy and Ms Merkel's meeting was a good sign and he was "sure we will find an accord". He insisted that "there is a very broad convergence of views" among eurozone countries.
Steffen Seibert, the German government spokesman, said Ms Merkel and Mr Sarkozy knew the stakes were high. He said the pair were not intending to dictate terms to the other 15 eurozone countries, but admitted that "if France and Germany cannot agree, Europe does not move forward".


While Germany wants private bondholders to take a "haircut", France and the ECB are determined to avoid any credit event that could be seen as a default. The possible compromises, contained in a leaked document, include imposing a tax on eurozone banks; a vast debt swap in which investors would roll over their current bonds for new longer-term maturities; and an expansion of the EFSF"


Euro reaches eleventh hour as Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy hold crisis talks - Telegraph
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-21-2011, 12:09 AM
 
25,021 posts, read 27,958,964 times
Reputation: 11790
Why don't they tax the investment banks that own Europe lock, stock, and barrel and are the reason why the world is going to ****?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 12:14 AM
 
29,407 posts, read 22,026,302 times
Reputation: 5455
Of note EFSF is basically the euro bailout fund that all countries contribute to with German and France making up about half the money allocated. With Greece, Ireland, Austria and Slovakia no longer contribute since they've gone down. The dominos continue to fall until there is no more left to dole out basically. Once we start bailing out California it will start happening here too.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 12:17 AM
 
29,407 posts, read 22,026,302 times
Reputation: 5455
Quote:
Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed View Post
Why don't they tax the investment banks that own Europe lock, stock, and barrel and are the reason why the world is going to ****?
After what France pulled with Iraq prior to Iraq I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw the whole country. The "banks to big to fail" are most likely in cahoots with the crooks running these countries stealing every penny they can get their hands on. I'm sure the EFSF is being drained as we speak too. Its only got like twelve member handling allt his money or thats how it started out. Not really sure how its run now since it was started a year or so ago when they bailed out greece the first time.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
7,168 posts, read 5,371,754 times
Reputation: 2922
They are trapped between a rock and a hard place, if they decide to give the bond holders a hair cut { mainly banksters} they have to think of the consequences. Like why would bondholders who took a hair cut keep on puchasing their debt in the future?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 06:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,863 posts, read 46,685,599 times
Reputation: 18521
Quote:
Originally Posted by KUchief25 View Post
And of course tax the banks. So private bonholders are supposed to bail out the wild spending of greece along with taxes on banks that will be passed on to private citizens. Yep riots coming when they realize this mess they're being dealt.

"In an attempt to assuage the rising panic across Europe, Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister, said that Mr Sarkozy and Ms Merkel's meeting was a good sign and he was "sure we will find an accord". He insisted that "there is a very broad convergence of views" among eurozone countries.
Steffen Seibert, the German government spokesman, said Ms Merkel and Mr Sarkozy knew the stakes were high. He said the pair were not intending to dictate terms to the other 15 eurozone countries, but admitted that "if France and Germany cannot agree, Europe does not move forward".


While Germany wants private bondholders to take a "haircut", France and the ECB are determined to avoid any credit event that could be seen as a default. The possible compromises, contained in a leaked document, include imposing a tax on eurozone banks; a vast debt swap in which investors would roll over their current bonds for new longer-term maturities; and an expansion of the EFSF"


Euro reaches eleventh hour as Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy hold crisis talks - Telegraph



Bwhahahahahaha!



That is classic!


..... and you wonder why no one is buying bonds here.
They are buying gold.


Take a gander at the Swiss Franc!
It has the highest gold holdings per capita and its currency, the Swiss franc, has been among the top-performing currencies
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 06:49 AM
 
45,247 posts, read 26,488,601 times
Reputation: 25001
I'm sure the German worker is okay with paying the pension of the 50 year old Greek retiree.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,557,218 times
Reputation: 27720
See what a single currency can do......

There's no easy out for Germany. I do feel sorry for them because they aren't the ones at fault yet they will get sucked in with the others.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
44,259 posts, read 64,416,945 times
Reputation: 73937
Quote:
Originally Posted by HappyTexan View Post
See what a single currency can do......

There's no easy out for Germany. I do feel sorry for them because they aren't the ones at fault yet they will get sucked in with the others.
Right before the whole EU thing was set in place, I was in Germany...and the people were fearing exactly THIS. That they would be bailing out other countries at the expense of their own citizens.

Welcome to our world.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-21-2011, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
86,052 posts, read 84,557,218 times
Reputation: 27720
Quote:
Originally Posted by stan4 View Post
Right before the whole EU thing was set in place, I was in Germany...and the people were fearing exactly THIS. That they would be bailing out other countries at the expense of their own citizens.

Welcome to our world.
The same happened to Ireland. They held out a long time but got sucked in anyways.

The Euro in Ireland
"The result of handing over control of the money decisions to the European Central Bank was that Ireland went through a period of inflation and normal monetary restraints weren't available to policy makers.
..
If we weren't part of the Euro, Ireland's currency would deflate rapidly. In a few rough months, prices would adjust across the economy and Ireland would be competitive again.
But, because the European Central Bank stands as the country's ultimate guarantor, we're stuck in limbo."
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top