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Old 07-14-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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A $20 dollar gold piece would buy a horse in 1900. Cash it in for paper dollars today, and it still buys a horse.


It never loses value, when compared to the dollar. It has always held a gain, over the paper dollar.

To lose money, gold would have to be less than .04¢ and ounce. Making the paper dollar worth more than the gold.
Melt down all your gold money and then sell the gold you are left with and you will have much more than the $20 gold piece since the price of gold today is over $1600 an ounce and there is only about half an ounce of gold in that gold piece. It would be worth about $800 as gold where it would be nothing as money.
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Old 07-14-2011, 10:54 PM
 
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$1600 won't buy you horse shoes, much less a horse.
$1600 for horse shoes??? Are those Blahnik or Choo's?
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Early adapters find value in being the first to own a new gizmo, rather than in the actual utility of of the device. Still, as a group they're statistical outliers.
There's relatively little value in purchasing an iPhone on opening day. As for statistical outliers, have you seen the lines on the release days?

Finding value in being the first to own anything has value, especially if it provides a strategical advantage over your competition. Deflation doesn't really enter the picture. Those who wait and let the competition eat their lunch just so they can save 10% more on a rising currency are statistical outliers.

No sale. (pun intended)
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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$1600 for horse shoes??? Are those Blahnik or Choo's?
Cole Hann!
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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It isn't "that same $20 gold piece" since the dollar related value you've assigned it greatly reduces it's mass, and thus its purchasing power.
Aren't you turning the equation around?
The value of that dollar was originally tied to the value of the gold.

Now you would say:
The value of that piece of gold is tied to the value of the dollar?

The dollar has no value in and of itself to anchor the gold.
The gold does have value in and of itself and always will.

The 'idea' of value associated with the dollar fluctuates thus metaphorically increasing or descreasing the 'size' of the dollar.

The size of the gold is static. It neither increases or decreases in size or weight as the 'idea' of value surrounding it fluctuates. I agree the value of gold may fluctuate in the sense of the amount of goods or services it will purchase, but it's literal size and weight will always remain constant and it will always have intrinsic value.
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Old 07-15-2011, 06:54 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Of course the costs went up.


Cost didn't go up.

Our dollar bill has been manipulated and monetized ever since the creation of the fed res.

Supply and demand has nothing to do with it when you see gold rising in value compared to a printed dollar bill.
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Old 07-15-2011, 06:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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$1600 won't buy you horse shoes, much less a horse.


When you get a clue, come back with the truth.


I can buy a horse for $1200 and up.

I'm looking a a 9 month old colt right now, for $800


It cost me $120 to get 4 shoes and have them put on.
Rubber shoes are $150
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Cost didn't go up.

Our dollar bill has been manipulated and monetized ever since the creation of the fed res.

Supply and demand has nothing to do with it when you see gold rising in value compared to a printed dollar bill.
Why is gold any different than any other commodity. Pork bellies for example.

The value of commodities rise and fall independent of the dollar and it's value is determined in dollars. This Fedphobia isn't based in reality.
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That is why the majority of the rise in fuel cost, have nothing to do with supply and demand.

It has to do with our dollar bill losing it's value on the world market.
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Old 07-15-2011, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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When you get a clue, come back with the truth.


I can buy a horse for $1200 and up.

I'm looking a a 9 month old colt right now, for $800


It cost me $120 to get 4 shoes and have them put on.
Rubber shoes are $150

I admittedly know nothing about horses. According to sources here a decent horse costs about 2k. It really is irrelevant, I was responding to a poster who said you could buy livestock and horses with a $20 gold piece. Ya clearly can't.
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