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I think Nirvana did a good job of laying out some of the internal problems that the Republicans have to deal with in the upcoming elections. I think there is a real split between three factions, the Christian Conservatives, the Traditional Conservatives and the Neocons. There are elements of overlap between the three philosophies, but enough of a difference that consolidating support may be challenging. What I suspect will probably happen, is that the demonization of the alternative will probably be the single attribute used by the support team for the nominee to try and rally the groups to get out and support Republican candidates.
Interesting. Conservative states are exploding in population. People are leaving liberal cities all over the place and coming down to Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Arizona, etc. In case you did not notice, the JOBS are coming to Conservative areas as well, because they are sick and tired of super-high taxes and the money goes into something futile, as the previous poster noted, like a bronze statue or expansion of a art museum probably 0.1% of a city visits.
Oh come on. You gonna deny that all the cities I listed were 100% under liberal Democrats' control??? Another poster even denied the road works were the responsibility of the state or the county or the city. Yes, the levies in NO were inspected by the US Army Corps of Engineers, BUT the Federal Funds were sent to the city and state to fix/update the livies. The liberal LA Governor (Catherine Blanco, a Democrat) and Ray Nagin (a Socialist Democrat) used the money for something esle. Bush's fault? Oh please!
Again, logic went out the window. You erroneous claim people are moving to conservative states because they are conservative. No, they're not. You believe conservatism is a cure all for every problem. No, it is not.
All those liberals you hate (an interesting thing since you claim to be so overtly Christian) are moving wherever they want. California used to be conservative (a la Reagan, remember him?). Now after an influx of 15 million more people, it's decidedly blue instead of red. So, while you're out cheering the influx of people to the conservative states, don't think for a second they're going to leave their ideologies at the state border.
Your views are so extreme and divisive they are laughable.
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People want to blame Bush for everything. I mean a kid dies in Brazil in a road accident and people blame Bush for not sending them money to build a overpass. Come on you guys. These liberal-controlled projects were mismanaged. That is what happens with big government. It is the easy way to blame Bush for everything, that takes away personal responsibility from the local liberal governments,.
I know personal responsibility is a curse word in the liberal dictionary, as no liberal ever owns up or think people are personally responsible for things. But people need to own up that roads and bridges within a municipality ARE owened by the city/county. Minnesota is 100% at fault and they will be dully sued by the victims for it. The Feds will probably dodge the bullet here. The Big Dig in Boston was a pet project of the liberal government there that imploded. Same deal with NYC.... Bloomberg is a "Blooming Liberal" and the city is a mess, 100x worse than back when Giulliani was in power. The infra-structure of the city is horrendous, the graffitti came back strong in NYC and safety has gone down. Bloomberg, the Blooming Idiot has gone back in time and un-done the Giulliani's projects for safety improvements and city cleaness.
Personal responsibility is also applicable to conservatives. If our exalted leader is a conservative (many think otherwise) he has completely erased his responsibility from his actions. He is accountable to no one.
Wah,wah,wah...people blame Bush for everything. Just like conservatives blame Clinton for 9/11 and everything else since President Buffoon was sworn in. Is this divisive enough for you? The reason I mention this is that by pointing out the other extreme, it sometimes awakens people to the error of their thinking.
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Uh.... the "neo cons" as you call them, want SMALLER government. We would do away with income taxes and do away with most Federal agencies if we had it our way. It is liberals who want huge governmental bureocracies that get nothing done. You people think the Feds are at fault for all these faulty civic projects in these liberal-controlled states? Fine. But this should show you how "capable" your Federal Govenrment really is!!
This should tell people that government needs to be smaller, local, more accountable. These liberal states have suffered the fates of cities and towns that take Federal funds and blow it on crap projects or steal the funds.
Neocons want the US government to DIE, to be replaced by a New World Order with their fingers on the red phone's buttons.
Finally, let me tell you what the conservatives tell 'liberals' on these forums, just so you can get a taste of what your 'enemies' have to put up with....If you're so unhappy with America, why don't you move away? ...because all this divisiveness, name-calling, hate-spewing, etc. is profoundly unAmerican and unproductive.
Now come on people what's so great and desirable about wanting to move to a conservative red state? Would you want to move to a state like Oklahoma, Arkansas, either of the Dakotas or Alabama. The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Now come on people what's so great and desirable about wanting to move to a conservative red state? Would you want to move to a state like Oklahoma, Arkansas, either of the Dakotas or Alabama. The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT!
After the Bush administration has poured hundreds of billions of tax dollars down a bottomless pit to fight the Iraq war, and spent money like a bunch of drunken sailors in general, I'm amazed that anybody could possibly complain about liberal "mismanagement" of money.
Hey man, as a CONSERVATIVE MYSELF, I agree, the Iraq war wasted WAY too much money that should have gone to SECURE OUR BORDERS and increase federal funding to states that are locking away violent criminals.
Bush has totally mismanaged the war, there is consensus among Republicans about that. No one is denying it. Bush is also a McCain-type conservative (basicallty a LIBERAL, a RINO). Bush is big on spending and big government, things that conservatives despise.
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It does not matter if it is coming from left or right...The special interest groups have all politicians in their pockets.
And, I would not know where to begin in listing those special interests and the projects that benefit them.
In Europe, Asia, and other parts of the world, cities and buildings have stood for hundreds of years. Many highways are much better in Europe than in the USA. While at the same time, certain areas in the USA have better maintained roads that other areas - And, this includes the interstate highways (that are funded by the Federal Government).
Our cities will spend money on tearing down sports arenas that have been around for only a few decades, and replace them just to make more money for the sports industry. Yet, these same cities have miserable roads.
They will tear down buildings and evict people for the benefit of the real estate interests - even though there are plenty of abandoned buildings and devastated areas that could be utilized.
The companies that build the highways are not held accountable for the longevity of the roads. The roads can be built stronger and better. These companies are structured to avoid liability for their work.
There can be arguments that the cities have much more traffic than other areas - But, the roads can be designed and constructed to withstand this situation.
And, there can be changes enforced to ease the situations. Like in NYC - More focus should be on more and better mass transit. The number of cars and trucks going in and out of the city per day is ridiculous. Too many individual workers drive into the city and park their cars all day. All truck deliveries should be made at night....And, other changes can be made.
Throughout the country, things can be run better...But, as long as we have "career" politicians, there will be only one focus...The politicians interests...
You point out something very true: American cities blow millions a year on crap projects like expanding art centers and museums pretty much no one vists, expanding privately owned ball stadiums, etc. Orlando FL is a typical example. The city has a liberal mayor that has blown taxpayer cahs into a prvately owned area and is using taxpayer funds to bankroll art centers that are NOT financially viable, while the city DESPERATELY needs more roads and more cops to combat crime. And then he set-up a bronze statue next to city hall and the local paper runs a story on it and the guy looks like a hero. It is sickening.
I am sorry that people dfo not wnat to hear this, but public works are owned by the city, county, and state. The tragedies we are seeing are due to mismanagement of funds by these liberal cities who take federal Dollars that were to go to maintenance and public works and blow it on giving cash cards to bums or bankrolling free IDs and healthcare to illegal aliens or on an art center.
The results are in. So far all these civic/infrastructure disasters have been in liberal controlled areas. That is NOT an opnion - that is a fact.
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Originally Posted by Fleet
Yeah, real "greedy."
Cheney's adjusted gross income for 2005 was $8,819,006.
He donated $6,869,655, or 77% of his income.
Compare with Al Gore who earned $197,729 in 1997 and donated a "huge" $353.
So who really is the greedy one?
Al Gore = America's #1 hypocrite. John Edwards is a close #2.
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I think Nirvana did a good job of laying out some of the internal problems that the Republicans have to deal with in the upcoming elections. I think there is a real split between three factions, the Christian Conservatives, the Traditional Conservatives and the Neocons. There are elements of overlap between the three philosophies, but enough of a difference that consolidating support may be challenging. What I suspect will probably happen, is that the demonization of the alternative will probably be the single attribute used by the support team for the nominee to try and rally the groups to get out and support Republican candidates.
I am a Christian conservative, but I also want to get spending under control and greatly reduce the size of government. The GOP lost in 2006 because of the media blasting the Iraq issues 24/7 and because the GOP has abandoned their core principles. Bush is a big problem too. The guy is a McCain liberal. That demoralized the GOP a lot and his push for illegal alien amnesty with McCain and liberal Ted Kennedy has really demoralized the GOP.
The solution is to have a candidate that will be strong on the issues, vow to end illegal immigration, reduce taxes, cut down in the size of government.... you know all the issues conservatives share and put Rudy as a VP to attract the moderate/Independent crowd.
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Again, logic went out the window. You erroneous claim people are moving to conservative states because they are conservative. No, they're not. You believe conservatism is a cure all for every problem. No, it is not.
All those liberals you hate (an interesting thing since you claim to be so overtly Christian) are moving wherever they want. California used to be conservative (a la Reagan, remember him?). Now after an influx of 15 million more people, it's decidedly blue instead of red. So, while you're out cheering the influx of people to the conservative states, don't think for a second they're going to leave their ideologies at the state border.
Personal responsibility is also applicable to conservatives. If our exalted leader is a conservative (many think otherwise) he has completely erased his responsibility from his actions. He is accountable to no one.
Wah,wah,wah...people blame Bush for everything. Just like conservatives blame Clinton for 9/11 and everything else since President Buffoon was sworn in. Is this divisive enough for you? The reason I mention this is that by pointing out the other extreme, it sometimes awakens people to the error of their thinking.
Neocons want the US government to DIE, to be replaced by a New World Order with their fingers on the red phone's buttons.
Finally, let me tell you what the conservatives tell 'liberals' on these forums, just so you can get a taste of what your 'enemies' have to put up with....If you're so unhappy with America, why don't you move away? ...because all this divisiveness, name-calling, hate-spewing, etc. is profoundly unAmerican and unproductive.
I do not hate liberals as human being. That is a mischaracterization of who I am. I hate liberal philosophy of bias against America and Christians, and I hate the culture of death liberals adore with drug use, no responsibility, no accountability, abortions galore, the lack of morals, the lack of tolerance, the lack respect ofr children and the unborn. I dislike the culture, not the humans themselves. I hope this clarifies it.
Ahhh, so you acknowledge that Cali went from Red to Blue because 15 million ILLEGAL ALIENS poured in and voted to make the state Blue. That makes sense. Oh I agree, the illegal alien invasion and the liberals that sue to make sure no one has to show IDs at the polls really works. They allow every illegal to vote and since illegals are poor and uneducated, they go Democrat all the way. They like riding on food stamps, welfare, free public education, free healthcare, free pre-natal care, government-subsidized housing.... sure all illegals go Dem and stay Dem.
Bush is being held accountable to the GOP. Have you watched the enws during his illegal alien amnesty push? Did you hear the outcry from Conservatives?? Did you hear that the GOP National Convention is openly stating they OPPOSE Bush on immigration and spending?? We hold Bush accountable. The proof is on the polls. Pretty much all conservatives hate Bush. Like I said Bush is a McCain liberal.
Now, let's talk about LIBERAL personal responsibility for a second. How come liberal judges feel bad for pedophiles and treat them as "abused and neglected kids who grew up to rape kids"? I am refering to the Vermont liberal judges who let pedophiles go free every day. O'Reilly has reported on about 10 of them so far. Is that personal responsibility of the rapist?? How about the judges who give these light sentences being held accountable?
How about liberals wanting to give cash cards to bums?? Where is the responsibility of the bum to go work, you know do one of these jobs that "Americans won't do"? Hey how about the liberals who want to bankroll welfare for lazy people who are able, sane, and capable of working and they rather stay home smoking weed all day and poping out kids? How about these illegal aliens who WILLINGLY AND KNOWINGLY broke the law and then demand Amensty and act like the illegals are little victims of this bad bad USA?? Come on now. You say where is the personal responsibility of Bush'a part.... Conservatives hold him accountable. But how about on the left???
"Wah,wah,wah...people blame Bush for everything", you say. That is true, is it not? I hear it at least once every 10 minutes on every Democrat speech on C-SPAN or on NBC.
So, isn't Clinton at fault for NOT taking Osama Bin Laden from Sudan when it was offered to him? Did Clinton not have at least 3 chances to kill Osama Bin Laden and he refused? How about Clinton ALLOWING terror attacks (USS Cole, the 1993 World Trade Center Bombing, the US embassy blasts in Tanzania, etc) over and over again and Clinton did NOTHING. Did this not pave the way to 9/11?? Did that not embolden the terrorists?? Did Clinton do ANYTHING to control illegal aliens who were attcking the USA? No Clinton was too busy with Monica's underpants to worry about the security of the USA.
You got it wrong again. Conservatives want smaller US government and want the New World Order to go to hell. Conservatives want the USA out of the corrupt and anti-Americans United Nations. Hey have you forgotten that John "Scary" Kerry wnated to transfer control of US Military to the UN??? Talk about New World Order, huh? Hey how about the first major step towards One-World Government was taken by Bill Clinton with NAFTA in 1993, so he could pave the way for the North American Union which is continued with liberal Bush with the SSP? Oh geez, we forgot!
You say haet speech is un-productive. Really? Wow, I hear hate speech against Bush 24/7. Harry Reid attacks Bush pretty much in every speech. Talk about non-productive!! Hey you talk Hate speech being bad... have you checked out the left-wing liberal The Daily Kos?? Take a quick trip to that site so you can see REAL hate speech from the left! That left wing liberal site calls the Pope a "primate", shows pics of DEMOCRAT Sen. Liberman sucking Bush's genitals.... You need to check out the Daily Kos. You have no idea how hateful and mean the left is.
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Now come on people what's so great and desirable about wanting to move to a conservative red state? Would you want to move to a state like Oklahoma, Arkansas, either of the Dakotas or Alabama. The answer is ABSOLUTELY NOT!
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Have you visited any of those states?
Probably not. OK is a great state. So are the Dakotas. Funny, THE fastest growing state in the USA in 2007 is one of the most conservative: WYOMING!
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How come liberal judges feel bad for pedophiles and treat them as "abused and neglected kids who grew up to rape kids"?
This is getting pretty ridiculous. You're taking video segments from BILL O'REILLY and then ascribing what you saw to all 'liberals?' That's nuts.
Let me just point out one thing - I live in Oregon, which is typically known as a 'liberal' state (it's much more complicated than that, but when you are working with a strict 'liberal/conservative' dichotomy, I guess Oregon would be 'liberal'). Its major city, Portland, is one of the most 'liberal' in the country.
And yet, we also have one of the lowest murder rates in the nation. Portland's murder rate is lower than the STATE murder rate of Texas. We're talking RATES, not TOTAL NUMBERS, so, the population difference is taken into account.
Why is that? How is it that such a 'liberal' state, with the highest professed rate of churchlessness in the US, does such a better job of respecting the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' than the conservative states do?
It's because things aren't as simple as 'liberal' and 'conservative.' When your worldview is 'liberal = bad; conservative = good,' you end up doing rhetorical contortions to make your 'liberal opponents' look bad, and you fail to learn from the things they actually do better than you.
Isn't that interesting that THE most Liberal cities in the USA, you know the ones that tax the living daylights out of people and are supposed to be making "civic improvements" in their cities are also the ones with the WORST infrastructure?
Let's look at some examples:
New Orleans: The Levies in town got grant after grant from the Feds to have the Levies inspected and maintained. And yet this Liberal Democrat-controlled city somehow.... well lost some of the funding and then blamed the Federal government for it.
Minneapolis, MN: This is a super liberal town. St. Paul is even worse. They tax the living crap out of you and they don't even look at their bridges?? Sick! Oh of course, the bridge's collapse (which is legally owned and a responsibility of cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul and the State of Minnesota) get blamed on Bush and the Iraq war. Boy, I love the liberal line of thinking!!
New York City: One of the "bastions of Liberalism" in the Northeast has pipes blowing up because they are so old. Interesting how the city has been a liberal bastion for years, is now under the control of a billionary liberal nitwit named Michael Bloomberg and yet the city's infrastructre is crumbling. Where does the money for the maintenance goes? Oh yeah, it goes to lazy people who live of the city's social services, building a Madrassa for Muslim students, and housing projects! Way to go NYC!
Boston: This forever controlled Democrat and liberal state invested BILLIONS (read the word: BILLIONS, not millions) of Dollars in a project called "The Big Dig". It was never properly built, funds were stolen, contract awarded to liberal friends of Ted kennedy and that Communist mayor (I cannot remember his name, but he was the governor or MA for a while)... it collapsed. Typical!
Is it just a coincidence that liberal state's infrastructures are crumbling down?? I think not.
That is called corruption, incompetence, and mismanagement of funds in cities where they tax the living daylights out of you and yet they do NOTHING to their promisses of improving the city or whatever. They tax the heck out of you and the money... well it disappears!
Adding Pennsylvania, the worst roads and bridges in the U.S.
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Cheney to me is an example of a horrible, greedy pig
he is a VERY BAD image for repubs.
I hate liberal philosophy of bias against America and Christians, and I hate the culture of death liberals adore with drug use, no responsibility, no accountability, abortions galore, the lack of morals, the lack of tolerance, the lack respect ofr children and the unborn. I dislike the culture, not the humans themselves. I hope this clarifies it.
Hey you talk Hate speech being bad... have you checked out the left-wing liberal The Daily Kos?? Take a quick trip to that site so you can see REAL hate speech from the left! 
That left wing liberal site calls the Pope a "primate", shows pics of DEMOCRAT Sen. Liberman sucking Bush's genitals.... You need to check out the Daily Kos. You have no idea how hateful and mean the left is.
