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Old 05-15-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Partisanship Is An Intellectual/Emotional Handicap
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God Bless this new family. Every birth is something to celebrate.
Ideally they will receive a less judgmental welcome from others in the congregation and will find the support, helping hands and positive role models they will need to raise their child in these difficult times.

Perhaps their involvement in church will encourage them to get married.

Perhaps they had/have already planned to do so and like so many others, Mary included, found that God had a different plan for their lives.

Perhaps, and this would be really sad, there will be too many people like yourself who will make them feel unwelcome and cause them to turn away from their faith due to the example you set, sending them off to the proverbial stable because you could find no room in your 'inn.'

Recall these words:

"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."

This post symbolizes what being a good person, what being good spiritually is all about!!!

Beautifully stated, TigerLily!!
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:43 PM
 
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I am not. On mother's day a child was baptized at my church. The parents were boyfriend and girlfriend. Why do they feel no shame? I am so confused...
Is this something to celebrate? I think every kid deserves an ADULT as a parent. So am I wrong?
As long as they don't need public assistance, I don't care if they are married or not. Marriage is dying. It is a societal construct, not evolutionary. This is going to happen only more often, so may as well get used to it.
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Arizona (520)
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I'm against single motherhood. It leads to many problems. Most inmates in prison come from single mother homes. Raising a kid is a joint effort. Just as important is the mother, so is the father. Children respond differently to female and male energy, they need the viewpoint and guidance of both.
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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Responsible, mature, rational, accountable fathers finanically support thier children; regardless of whether or not he and the mother have remained together.

The biggest problem this country has pertaining to this subject matter, is fathers who are emotionally absent, physically absent and financially neglegent in supporting their children. And that applies to fathers who were previously married ( by a Federally Approved Contract of Commitment) to the mothers and fathers who never were married ( by a Federally Approved Contract of Commitment).

That is where the problem lies.

The Federally Approved Contract of Commitment never has been a solution to this problem.


The second biggest problems are self-indulgent, narcissistic, self-absorbed, selfish mothers and fathers who neglect their kids, take no interest in their kids development, take no responsibility for their lack of proper parenting and generally avoid accountability.

These are the issues we face in this country.

The Federally Approved Contract of Commitment makes no difference. Just as many fathers and mothers who were either were once married ( by a Federally Approved Contract of Commitment) or remain married; are guilty of being self-indulgent, narcissistic, self-absorbed, selfish mothers and fathers who neglect their kids, take no interest in their kids development, take no responsibility for their lack of proper parenting and generally avoid accountability.
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:49 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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I'm against single motherhood. It leads to many problems. Most inmates in prison come from single mother homes. Raising a kid is a joint effort. Just as important is the mother, so is the father. Children respond differently to female and male energy, they need the viewpoint and guidance of both.
Wouldn't it be nice if a lot of men stepped up to the plate? Wouldn't it?
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:53 PM
 
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Children are better off being raised by two loving, stable, married parents. That being said I only have a major problem with out of wedlock births if the parent takes ANY government handouts whatsoever. So that would mean I am against the majority of illegitimate births.
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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Wouldn't it be nice if a lot of men stepped up to the plate? Wouldn't it?
If the welfare state didn't exist women would choose men who step up to the plate. The type they think are boring, too nice, or are "not confident" today. They would no longer select a man based on qualities such as being covered in tattoos. No welfare=opposite sexual selection by women=a return to the traditional American family.
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Old 05-15-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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If the welfare state didn't exist women would choose men who step up to the plate. The type they think are boring, too nice, or are "not confident" today. They would no longer select a man based on qualities such as being covered in tattoos. No welfare=opposite sexual selection by women=a return to the traditional American family.
Oh give me a freaking break. So women intentionally choose men who want nothing to do with their child so they can live in POVERTY?

Right.... Sounds like a great thing to me! To struggle to pay bills and working 2 jobs...and still having to depend on the government for other things.

If that is such a great idea, why aren't all women doing that?

Oh and by the way, my child is being born out of wedlock, the father has 8 tattoos but has the biggest heart out of any man I have ever met and he's been there for me throughout my horrible pregnancy.

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Old 05-15-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Arizona (520)
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Wouldn't it be nice if a lot of men stepped up to the plate? Wouldn't it?
It would be nice also if women made better dating decisions and selections. People like to cry that the father is always leaving the home, but in most cases these women are having children in the street, the father was never in the home. 'And thus the cycle begins, the mother clings to victim-hood, blames all her problems on men and never addresses her own recklessness, which is then passed on to the daughter. Not only is the daughter now fatherless, but she gets constant misguided dating advice from an unstable mother.
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Old 05-15-2011, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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God Bless this new family. Every birth is something to celebrate.
Ideally they will receive a less judgmental welcome from others in the congregation and will find the support, helping hands and positive role models they will need to raise their child in these difficult times.

Perhaps their involvement in church will encourage them to get married.

Perhaps they had/have already planned to do so and like so many others, Mary included, found that God had a different plan for their lives.

Perhaps, and this would be really sad, there will be too many people like yourself who will make them feel unwelcome and cause them to turn away from their faith due to the example you set, sending them off to the proverbial stable because you could find no room in your 'inn.'

Recall these words:

"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
Sadly, I think this happens all too often. Am I "OK" with people having kids outside of marriage? It's hard to be "not OK" with it when it's so common these days. I do think it's better for kids to have two parents in the home with them, preferably married to each other, as long as they love each other. But life has a way of interfering with this stuff, and I think it's far better to bring the child to church than to stay away b/c the parents aren't married.
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