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Old 07-27-2007, 01:17 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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How sad that one has to enlist documentaries outside of the U.S. for the sake of reasonable, objectivie, rational discourse and analyses regarding the U.S. and mideast policies. This well produced video exposes a great deal of truth regarding the U.S., AIPAC, and Israel:

Documentary 'The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy'

Lemmings, Neocons, and amen corner types need not apply.

 
Old 07-27-2007, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Oxford, England
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Sadly hardly a surprise though it it ? ...
 
Old 07-27-2007, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Sacramento
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How sad that one has to enlist documentaries outside of the U.S. for the sake of reasonable, objectivie, rational discourse and analyses regarding the U.S. and mideast policies. This well produced video exposes a great deal of truth regarding the U.S., AIPAC, and Israel:

Documentary 'The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy'

Lemmings, Neocons, and amen corner types need not apply.
Actually, it was created by AmericanFreePress.net, a publication with a specific point of view (operating out of Washington DC), searching for stories to support it. Hardly an objective source, look for yourselves:

BALKANIZATION

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Interestingly, the later article is by James Tucker...

Edit - Since the last article didn't take I'll do a cut and paste instead:


NEW TOP NEO-****** SAYS IRAN’S A THREAT

Fallon Says He’ll Pick a Fight with Iran If That’s What Makes Bosses Happy



By James P. Tucker Jr.

Adm. William Fallon, President Bush’s new commander of military forces in the Middle East, is looking for an “incident” that would excuse a U.S. attack on Iran, according to sources within the Pentagon, Congress and the White House.

They cite Fallon’s blind faith in Israel, and its constant lobbying for an attack on Iran. Efraim Eitan, a member of the Israeli parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee, bluntly told The Washington Times that Israel will attack unless the U.S. or some other foreign power stops Iran from developing nuclear arms or other powerful weapons.

These sources expect the U.S. military attack to be solely from the air and with no ground troops involved. Not only are the suspected sites of nuclear development to be targeted, but missiles and bombs will strike “great swaths” of Iran, sources said. Their claim has been independently substantiated by recent reports from Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker.

Vice President Dick Cheney has parroted claims made by Israeli officials that Iran is working on nuclear weapons that would be turned on Israel. This is similar to the discredited claims of “weapons of mass destruction” in the buildup to the invasion of Iraq.

U.S. officials deny that an attack on Iran is imminent even as Bush repeats that “No options are off the table” when it comes to Iran. At the same time, however, Bush was provoking Iran by ordering the nuclear-equipped aircraft carrier USS Eisenhower into the Persian Gulf and otherwise building up the military presence in the region, where it has no business.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates reportedly wanted Fallon in charge because he would establish a “new focus on regional initiatives to reassure allies and deter adversaries, particularly Iran,” The New York Times reports.

“If Iran is dumb enough to shoot down some helicopters and kill some of our soldiers, it could help justify a ‘quick response’ that could quickly evolve into all-out war,” one source said. “[The Bush administration] could be arranging that.”

One source asked: “Remember how we all believed that the Gulf of Tonkin incident really occurred when President (Lyndon) Johnson made a speech in 1964? Years later, after being discharged, sailors aboard the ship all said it had never happened.”

Could explosives found by U.S. forces in Iraq and attributed to Iran be part of that set up for war?

The original hawk, Donald Rumsfeld, did not disappear when he resigned as secretary of defense. He still maintains an office at the Pentagon with a staff of 14. They are busy planning an attack on Iran while Gates calms Congress.

Working with Rumsfeld to bring the United States into a war with Iran are the usual cast of neo-conservatives and high priests of war*: Douglas Feith, Rummy’s former No. 3 man and a Bilderberg regular; Richard Perle, another Bilderberg boy; David Wurmser; and Elliot Abrams, now a Middle East specialist at the National Security Council.

It was this group and others in the Israeli lobby who exposed their motives in a revealing paper for former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.”

It called for Israel to continue to occupy Palestinian lands, for escalating the
fight with the Palestinians and their Arab supporters and for encouraging the United States to attack Iran so Israel “will not only contain its foes, it will transcend them.”

Journalist George Packer’s book, The Assassin’s Gate: America in Iraq concludes that “For Feith and Wurmser, the security of Israel was probably the prime mover.”

On Feb. 13, the Beltway think tank Strategic Policy Consulting sponsored an event in Washington to promote a book by Iranian “dissident” Alireza Jafarzadeh, titled The Iran Threat: President Ahmadinejad and the Coming Nuclear Crisis. Jafarzadeh denies that he is explicitly calling for war but threatens a mushroom cloud if nothing is done.

Sound familiar? It should. It was the same technique used to inflame public opinion for a war with Iraq. The book drew lavish praise from Sen. May Landrieu (D-La.) and Rep. Bob Filner (D-Calif.), among others.

Significantly, a new caucus has been established in Congress, calling itself the “Congressional Christian Allies Caucus,” a bipartisan group of 14 members formed to work with Israel-first Christian leaders on Israeli security. It was founded by Reps. Dave Weldon (R-Fla.) and Eliot Engel (DN. Y.).

The caucus met Feb. 14 with members of the Israeli Knesset and representatives from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. They discussed Israeli security, which translates into attacking Iran for the benefit of Israel and multinational oil companies.

Israel wants to know about Iranian influence in the Middle East which has grown since the United States eliminated two enemies, Iraq’s Saddam Hussein and the Taliban, in Afghanistan. The official policy of Israel and its supporters in the United States is to sow confusion and infighting among Arabs and Persians in the Middle East so that it can establish control over the entire region, including the invaluable oil deposits.

The neo-conservatives who control U.S. policy are using the powerful U.S. military to facilitate this. American Free Press readers learned of this impending disaster months ago through the weekly column of Paul Craig Roberts. But his work is being forced into the mainstream. Syndicate columnist Georgie Anne Geyer says frankly that the neo-cons “are now pushing us into war with Iran.”

(Issue #12, March 19, 2007)

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Old 07-27-2007, 11:10 AM
 
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our foreign policy is rubber stamped by the Knesset in Israel...we do their dirty work.
 
Old 07-27-2007, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Ohio, but moving to El Paso, TX August/September
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How sad that one has to enlist documentaries outside of the U.S. for the sake of reasonable, objectivie, rational discourse and analyses regarding the U.S. and mideast policies. This well produced video exposes a great deal of truth regarding the U.S., AIPAC, and Israel:

Documentary 'The Israel lobby - The influence of AIPAC on US Foreign Policy'

Lemmings, Neocons, and amen corner types need not apply.
I was in Holland when that documentary was shown. As a Jew, and not a religious one at that, and as a liberal, I found it highly disturbing. Many of the claims that were made had no factual evidence to back it up. The station that broadcast it, is a very anti-Jewish station.

I think people who go out of their way to find fault with Jews will see it as a great, truthful documentary. I personally found it as a very scary opinion piece used to stir up the likes of the OP.

ETA...just reading some of the responses here is very eye opening. Those attitudes are exactly how a lot of things started in the past. Didn't you know, the Jews are to blame for all the ills in the world.
 
Old 07-27-2007, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I was in Holland when that documentary was shown. As a Jew, and not a religious one at that, and as a liberal, I found it highly disturbing. Many of the claims that were made had no factual evidence to back it up. The station that broadcast it, is a very anti-Jewish station.

I think people who go out of their way to find fault with Jews will see it as a great, truthful documentary. I personally found it as a very scary opinion piece used to stir up the likes of the OP.

ETA...just reading some of the responses here is very eye opening. Those attitudes are exactly how a lot of things started in the past. Didn't you know, the Jews are to blame for all the ills in the world.
James P. Tucker, who is the director for the organization which authored that stuff is not portrayed as very objective in Wikipedia. The central thing I'm trying to point out in these postings is that unlike the original poster (James T) presentation of this video, it actually was USA sourced from a conspiracy theory oriented organization, headed by a long time conspiracy theorist. I have a severe doubt about accuracy when a posting with attachments is presented in a slanted context. In my view, the poster lessens the integrity of their statements and position when presenting information in this manner.

James P. Tucker, Jr - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
 
Old 07-27-2007, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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emjbulls,

feel free to report this whole thread as offensive. I have no idea why this obvious anti-Semite keeps getting away with these posts and can't for the life of me understand why they have such issues with Israel.. Maybe if we knew a little more about this James T, things would be a little more clear..
 
Old 07-27-2007, 04:02 PM
 
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This day and age the definition of documentary has changed to: any show that piles up a lot of evidence about a particular group. Acceptable evidence include heresay, propoganda, cherry picked facts, and any type of dirt that can be dug up regardless of credibility.
 
Old 07-27-2007, 04:10 PM
 
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Help me understand why it is that people will think so critically about anything that's reported from other sources including immediate disbelief with no evaluation, but not evaluate the source of information they hear on the internet despite the evidence. These conspiracy theories are based on exactly the kind of evidence tnbound mentioned.

On top of that, do you really think that people in our government could carryout such plots with everyone playing gotcha and leaking things in order to damage political opponents? I guess they are all a part of the big "they" though.
 
Old 07-27-2007, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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This day and age the definition of documentary has changed to: any show that piles up a lot of evidence about a particular group. Acceptable evidence include heresay, propoganda, cherry picked facts, and any type of dirt that can be dug up regardless of credibility.
Yep, I would put this sourced publication/documentary producer up there with the "Weekly World News" for credibility. According to the WWN, Mother Nature endorsed Gore for President, about the same level of accuracy as AmericanFreePress.net. It just bothers me when folks try to support supposedly well thought out ideas, concepts or insights with pure trash.

Here is their equivalent publication:

Weekly World News
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