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That doesn't explain the requirement for the photoreproduced copy of the original long form birth certificate.
If it was just a matter of adding anorther field or two to the COLB, they could have easily done that. Instead, a photoreproduced copy of the original record is required.
California offers the actual long form (I believe Texas does as well) so its probably just easier requiring the long form than having the state re-tool its short form. None of that however changes the fact that of course we are talking about two states out of fifty, neither of which are named Hawaii.
A CA record no longer meeting the federal standard or being sufficient has nothing to do with whether a HI record meets the federal standard or is sufficient.
You're making incorrect assumptions. It's not about merely meeting a federal standard. That can easily be done by adding a field or two to the existing short form template.
A photoreproduced copy of the original birth record is required because that is much harder to fake/forge than merely having someone (wink, wink, nod, nod) alter the computer data base.
Again, they're cracking down after seeing how easy it is to perpetrate fraud with a computer-generated abstract COLB.
Self-proclaimed birther Donald Trump is now so doubtful of President Obama's birthplace that he's sent a team of his own investigators to Hawaii in hopes of getting to the bottom of the issue.
That's according to Trump himself, who, in an interview with NBC, warned his investigators just might uncover "one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond."
"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump said an interview that aired Thursday Morning.
Asked if he has assigned people specifically to search in Hawaii, Trump said, "Absolutely."
Trump is a man that says what's on his mind. There's no question about where he stands. Whether right or wrong about his beliefs there's one thing Trump is doing that every other potential presidental candidate is not doing - admitting that there is huge doubt that Obama was (is) eligibile to serve as POTUS.
I truly hope that Trump does run because he will force the other candidates to address this issue in depth, instead of just waving it off for purely political reasons.
hahaha you dont have to be born on american soil to be considered an american
You're making incorrect assumptions. It's not about merely meeting a federal standard. That can easily be done by adding a field or two to the existing short form template.
A photoreproduced copy of the original birth record is required because that is much harder to fake/forge than merely having someone (wink, wink, nod, nod) alter the computer data base.
Again, they're cracking down after seeing how easy it is to perpetrate fraud with a computer-generated abstract COLB.
Again, what happens in CA has nothing to do with what's going on with HI records. Every state has the right to create their own form of records, and the Constitution guarantees that they will be respected in other states, so long as they meet the federal standard.
again, what happens in ca has nothing to do with what's going on with hi records. Every state has the right to create their own form of records, and the constitution guarantees that they will be respected in other states, so long as they meet the federal standard.
IC claims that since the Orange County website says that only photocopies of a long form are sufficient for a passport, Hawaii's birth certificate is insufficient as proof of citizenship.
What happens with one state's documents has nothing to do with the veracity or authenticity of another state's documents. There are other states that have much less information on their birth certificates than on the HI COLB, but are still sufficient for passports and any other purpose.
No, not in this case. His mother was too young to have conferred birthright citizenship on him, if he was born outside the US.
Well, that's another one of the birthers fallback arguments. At the time, a child born abroad to a US citizen and a non-citizen was a citizen him/herself IF the citizen parent had lived in the US for 5 years after the age of 14. How this would have been applied to Obama's mother, who hadn't lived anywhere for 5 years after age 14, being only 18 at the time of his birth, is unclear. In any event, Obama was born in Hawaii.
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Originally Posted by chattypatty
I think I read that there was some issue with the mother's age because she wasn't quite 19 when he was born, making her a teen mother, and apparently that affects her ability to pass on citizenship to her foreign born child.
See above.
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Originally Posted by SourD
you are useless here. That prima facie BS means nothing. It is on ALL BC's. What does this prove? Nothing. Even if you have a fake one printed out from the DOH it will have that on it. They all do.
Full faith and credit, my friend.
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