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Old 03-10-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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How are you okay with any of that? There's no need to wonder. All hell would be breaking loose on the Right.
point me to all hell breaking lose when Democratic Governors took over the City of Pontiac Michigan in 2009? I'll wait
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The Tea Party thought they'd be able to maintain their momentum into 2012. Instead, what they have done is unleashed an anger the likes of which will make Republicans irrelevant for decades, while Democrats rise up to clean up the destruction they have wrought all over this country.
ooh I'm scared.. very very afraid..
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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the grownups have taken the reigns of government away from the children.

Children tend to cry when you take thier toys away.

you little'uns run off to bed now. the big people have work to do....

maybe MI is about to stop being a bear infested wasteland.
Toys?

Elected city governments are toys to you?

Children? People who are upset about this are children to you?

I'm sorry, but only a child would be so naive as to support the complete take-over of local governments by appointed corporations. Only a child would fail to understand the ramifications of such a tyrannical move.

Your condescension will be your downfall.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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The problem isn't just about appointment of managers, but of increasing their powers to literally govern over even elected officials.
Bull crap.. again right from the City of Pontiac Michigan..

On March 19, 2009, The Local Emergency Financial Assistance Loan Board appointed an Emergency Financial Manager for the City of Pontiac. The Board is led by Andy Dillon, State Treasurer.

The state already manages Pontiac Michigan, the board was put into place by DEMOCRATIC Governors.. ooh and btw, the State Treasurers position.. also an elected position..

Yep.. slappy face is back pointing out Democratic hypocracy.. No outrage no complaining, no protests when Democrats took over cities that were unstable, its only an outrage now that a GOP member is appointing a board.. hypocracy.. what else could you call it...
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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Toys?

Elected city governments are toys to you?

Children? People who are upset about this are children to you?

I'm sorry, but only a child would be so naive as to support the complete take-over of local governments by appointed corporations. Only a child would fail to understand the ramifications of such a tyrannical move.

Your condescension will be your downfall.
I'm sorry but only a child wouldnt understand the ramifications of cities going bankrupt, and runaway spending that cant be paid for.. The bill has been put into place for DECADES.. Numerous Democrats have used the very same powers to appoint a board.. Where was your outrage when the Democratic Governor took over Pontiac Michigan? If governors were not responsible to the taxpayers, and let the cities go bankrupt, you'd be the first one to blame the Governors for not doing THEIR JOB!!!..
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Bull crap.. again right from the City of Pontiac Michigan..

On March 19, 2009, The Local Emergency Financial Assistance Loan Board appointed an Emergency Financial Manager for the City of Pontiac. The Board is led by Andy Dillon, State Treasurer.

The state already manages Pontiac Michigan, the board was put into place by DEMOCRATIC Governors.. ooh and btw, the State Treasurers position.. also an elected position..

Yep.. slappy face is back pointing out Democratic hypocracy.. No outrage no complaining, no protests when Democrats took over cities that were unstable, its only an outrage now that a GOP member is appointing a board.. hypocracy.. what else could you call it...
Ahem, if there is no change, what is the point of the bill? Time pass?
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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I live in Michigan.

We elected this governor to do a job. I support him in doing so.
Did you elect your city council to do a job?

Did you elect your school board to do a job?

Sucks to be you. You just lost your right to vote for those offices. And you're actually okay with that. I'm just gobsmacked by your willingness to cede your personal control of your local government to The State.

Do you have any idea what you're actually supporting here?

Any idea?

Do I need to spell it out for you?

It's Fascism. Michigan just became a Fascist State.

And you're okay with that.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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Toys?

Elected city governments are toys to you?

Children? People who are upset about this are children to you?
No. the school boards are the children, and the authority to spend other peoples' money are the toys they get to play with.

When children abuse their toys, they get taken away, and that's what this law is about.

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I'm just gobsmacked by your willingness to cede your personal control of your local government to The State.

It's Fascism. Michigan just became a Fascist State.

And you're okay with that.
You seem to know less than nothing about this topic. Like I said, these smaller entities derive their authority from the state to begin with.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:13 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Financial manager bill passes Michigan Senate | detnews.com | The Detroit News (http://www.detnews.com/article/20110310/POLITICS02/103100375/1022/local/Financial-manager-bill-passes-Michigan-Senate - broken link)

"Legislation that would allow emergency financial managers to throw out union contracts and overrule elected officials in financially distressed municipalities and school districts was approved Wednesday by the state Senate. Similar legislation passed in the House in February, and the two chambers are working on a final version to send to Gov. Rick Snyder. Snyder has called for more authority for emergency financial managers and is expected to sign the legislation into law.

The legislation outlines a detailed process to help communities and school districts right their finances. But labor unions and local officials object to provisions that would allow emergency financial managers to ignore union contracts, undo local ordinances and dissolve city councils and school boards."


And it's not just Union contracts they'd be allowed to void at will, but any contract. Any. And if you like your elected city council and they're working hard for your city, too bad so sad, the governor can just decide to get rid of them and put a CORPORATION in charge of running your city. Like your elected school board? Live in a great school district? Sorry, Charlie. Your school district is being dismantled, half the schools are being closed and you're merging with ABC Corporation's neighboring school district.

Happy with your child's curriculum? Sucks to be you, because Govs Buddy Corp had decided to get rid of it. Don't like it? Take it up with Govs Buddy Corp's Board of Directors. Oh wait! They don't give a $h!t what you have to say, you didn't vote for them and can't remove them from "office". They're only answerable to their shareholders.

Are you a Republican in favor of smaller, more limited government? Don't move to MichiDowistan. The size, scope and power of state government just blew up beyond your wildest imaginations.

We are so screwed.


Wow!


Sounds almost identical to what Lincoln did to the Confederate States after the Civil War.
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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Toys?

Elected city governments are toys to you?

Children? People who are upset about this are children to you?

I'm sorry, but only a child would be so naive as to support the complete take-over of local governments by appointed corporations. Only a child would fail to understand the ramifications of such a tyrannical move.

Your condescension will be your downfall.
with typical liberal aplumb you have missed the point.


and MI is where it is because the children have been in charge for years.

Looks like the election of Bammer was good for everyone! The Conservative renewal has just gotten started and America is about to WIN BIG!

Yea US!
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Old 03-10-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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Did you elect your city council to do a job?

Did you elect your school board to do a job?

Sucks to be you. You just lost your right to vote for those offices. And you're actually okay with that. I'm just gobsmacked by your willingness to cede your personal control of your local government to The State.

Do you have any idea what you're actually supporting here?

Any idea?

Do I need to spell it out for you?

It's Fascism. Michigan just became a Fascist State.

And you're okay with that.
Yes, we do not want to be the next CA.
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