does gun control prevent revolution? - the Libyan case (middle east, Israel, Mexican)
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In Libya NO private citizens had access to guns of any kind. A situation far stricter than anything advocated by mainstream gun control advocates in the USA.
yet when the people were ready to rise up, somehow they managed to get the weapons they needed. From marches on army bases, to army units unwilling to fire on the people, etc, etc.
Uh, appears they do, maybe not legal, but access nonetheless.
AFAICT no libyan private citizens HAD guns before the rebellion. legal or illegal. They acquired them AFTER the rebellion had begun.
Which is my point. If a rebellion/resistance becomes necessary, guns will be obtained, one way or the other. Gun control laws are not really relevant to that.
The standard Ak varaint can be had for >50 USD just about anywhere on the Africian cont. Weapons depots have little or no security there unlike here in the US. Should arms control proponents have thier way here in the US our only hope will be to get arms from dissident factions of the Army/National guard....
Crazy deposts who hire and train foreign mercinaries to kill his own people quell revolution for a long time. That the OP would try to make it about gun control shows a real lack of understanding of the tyrannical dictator who is Muammar Al-Qaddafi.
You can bet the CIA has set up shop in Libya with bargain basement prices on assault rifles.
No, that would be BAFTE. The sales they forced US licensed FFL's to make to Mexican nationals even though the FFL's did not want to complete the sales was just a dry run.
The standard Ak varaint can be had for >50 USD just about anywhere on the Africian cont. Weapons depots have little or no security there unlike here in the US. Should arms control proponents have thier way here in the US our only hope will be to get arms from dissident factions of the Army/National guard....
in fact, aside from the dissidents in the libyan forces, afaict dissidents in libya got arms because the security let them into the bases, not because there was no security. And cause border guards who normally stopped weapons smuggling, did not do so.
Thats the point. Folks who claim an armed populace is needed to fight tyranny assume the US military/ national guard would be LESS supportive of liberty against a tyrant, than would militaries in the arab world - in Libya for crying out loud.
Do you really thank that is a realistic assumption?
Crazy deposts who hire and train foreign mercinaries to kill his own people quell revolution for a long time. That the OP would try to make it about gun control shows a real lack of understanding of the tyrannical dictator who is Muammar Al-Qaddafi.
I have been following the career of Qaddafi for almost 40 years. I am no stranger to middle eastern politics (my DD is in Israel as we speak)
That this could illuminate a question about gun control, is an interesting side aspect. I agree its not the main story line.
In Libya NO private citizens had access to guns of any kind. A situation far stricter than anything advocated by mainstream gun control advocates in the USA.
yet when the people were ready to rise up, somehow they managed to get the weapons they needed. From marches on army bases, to army units unwilling to fire on the people, etc, etc.
Discuss.
The people of Libya were lucky that the army was not loyal to Gaddafi, probably thanks to him keeping his military weak and divided because of his paranoia of a military coup. That backfired on him.
Most police and armies would not allow it's citizens to strip them of weapons, and would quickly quell any rebellion by massacring the unarmed with their bullets and bombs.
What is happening in Libya is a rarity, far from the norm.
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