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Old 02-24-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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If a president refused to honor certain laws on the books in order to bypass our system of checks and balances is that worthy of being impeached?

For example if Bush would have denied the right to vote to all non federal income taxpayers should he be impeached?

Or if the next president were to openly state he would pardon anyone convicted of killing the last president, is that impeachable?

 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If a public servant, on the public payroll, obligated to perform to his oath to the state constitution, abandons his obligation, hides in another state and impairs the operation of government, is that not grounds for immediate impeachment for dereliction of duty to his home state?
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Something tells me no.....

Credit to Tigerlilly for posting this on the other thread.

Law.com - Government's 'Duty to Defend' Not a Given
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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If a president refused to honor certain laws on the books in order to bypass our system of checks and balances is that worthy of being impeached?
Ignoring that it bypasses no checks or balances, No.

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For example if Bush would have denied the right to vote to all non federal income taxpayers should he be impeached?
That's not a comparable example. It's not a case of refusing to defend a law because it's unconstitutional. So let's use a more real world example:

Justice Department Refuses to Defend Congress in Legal Battle Over Law Censoring Marijuana Policy Ads

He wasn't impeached.

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Or if the next president were to openly state he would pardon anyone convicted of killing the last president, is that impeachable?
Sadly, no. The President is Constitutionally empowered to grant pardons.
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:25 PM
 
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U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 4 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

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The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:28 PM
 
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I'd love to see Republicans try to impeach Obama. Between the threats to shut down the government and impeach the President, it looks like history is repeating itself circa 1995/1996, and Republicans didn't look too good by the time it was over. Clinton was easily reelected.
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:28 PM
 
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Art 2, Sec 1, USCON: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Art 2, Sec 1, USCON: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.

(Executive power = the power to execute, enforce, impose the laws enacted by Congress)

If the president ceases to enforce the laws enacted by Congress, then he has violated his oath of office, in my opinion, from reading the text of the USCON.

Of course, we also have a Congress that enacts laws it has not read, so it might be foolish to enforce obedience on a president who makes oaths to a constitution that he deems is a 'charter of negative liberties'.
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I am finding this topic endlessly fascinating:


"Ever since George Washington, presidents have exercised their own judgment in assessing the constitutionality of federal laws, and have not simply deferred to the courts or to Congress.
...
But if the courts haven’t yet ruled on the issue, nothing prevents the president or Congress from making a considered independent judgment that the statute is nonetheless unconstitutional and acting accordingly.
Thus, if the president genuinely believes that DOMA or any other federal statute is unconstitutional, he has at least a prima facie duty not to defend it in court, and possibly a duty not to take actions to enforce it either, as part of his exercise of prosecutorial discretion (a traditional executive power). "


The Volokh Conspiracy » Do Presidents Have a Duty to Defend the Constitutionality of Laws they Believe to be Unconstitutional?
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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If we really enforced the idea of "bribery", there would be very few, if any, politician who would not be impeachable?
 
Old 02-24-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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Hell, didn't President Bush do signing statements all the time when he signed bills into law saying that he wouldn't comply? And if i'm not mistaken, that practice hasn't stopped under the Obama administration.

That's exactly why i used to tell Republicans to stop cheering for a runaway exec branch. They loved it back then, but for some dumb reason, they didn't think about the next (democratic) president abusing the same power. And of course, they didn't listen.
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