Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-22-2011, 06:58 AM
 
30,093 posts, read 18,707,813 times
Reputation: 20916

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post
I guess the teachers are lazy and overpaid.

Take a look at the SAT scores for Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, and the Dakotas as well. It is a northern midwestern effect and has little to do with the relative competence of Wisconsin teachers vs any other state.

If one evaluates the SAT scores in these states and compares them to the non-minority populations in other states, the advantage diminishes. Further, most children in these states take the ACT (which most midwest and western colleges accept). Only those interested in applying to elite east coast schools take the SAT, therefore you are selecting the most talented students, not the student body in general.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-22-2011, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
41,325 posts, read 44,997,691 times
Reputation: 7118
Quote:
Originally Posted by jojajn View Post
FYI, taking, or not taking, the ACT test has nothing to do with HS graduation. Usually only the college bound students take this test as there is a hefty fee to take it!

Ranking #13 nationwide is still commendable! That means WI does better than 37 states!
Oh yes, comendable indeed;

Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can

Quote:
In the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered by the U.S. Department of Education in 2009—the latest year available—only 32 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned a “proficient” rating while another 2 percent earned an “advanced” rating. The other 66 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned ratings below “proficient,” including 44 percent who earned a rating of “basic” and 22 percent who earned a rating of “below basic.”
Yes, I'm sure they care so much for the kids.

Look where your hard earned money is going......to the union coffers in the form of free benefits and HC for life.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post
I guess the teachers are lazy and overpaid.
I think you're right about it, just look at the above statistic.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 11:01 AM
 
3,767 posts, read 4,534,992 times
Reputation: 1395
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Take a look at the SAT scores for Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, and the Dakotas as well. It is a northern midwestern effect and has little to do with the relative competence of Wisconsin teachers vs any other state.

If one evaluates the SAT scores in these states and compares them to the non-minority populations in other states, the advantage diminishes. Further, most children in these states take the ACT (which most midwest and western colleges accept). Only those interested in applying to elite east coast schools take the SAT, therefore you are selecting the most talented students, not the student body in general.
Exactly. It is a fact that the "northern midwest effect" has more to do with the lack of minority students than that of teaching proficiency.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 12:36 PM
 
10,545 posts, read 13,598,905 times
Reputation: 2823
So when the scores are good, we credit the teacher's, and when they're bad, the teacher's are not responsible because of the families.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
22,229 posts, read 17,879,946 times
Reputation: 4585
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post
I guess the teachers are lazy and overpaid.
That is the crux of the problem. The Wisc Teachers have been doing too good a job educating the kids. An educated population, is very bad for Repubs. So they need to get the more talented teachers to leave, so they can develop a more manageable population.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
90,297 posts, read 120,905,047 times
Reputation: 35920
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rggr View Post
So when the scores are good, we credit the teacher's, and when they're bad, the teacher's are not responsible because of the families.
The R way is, when scores are good, credit the parents and caucasian race; when scores are bad, blame the teachers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 01:59 PM
 
3,767 posts, read 4,534,992 times
Reputation: 1395
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
The R way is, when scores are good, credit the parents and caucasian race; when scores are bad, blame the teachers.
Wrong! The "R" way is to take personal responsibility for your grades, your children, and your classroom. Don't blame anyone.

The "L" way is to blame everyone around.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
38,859 posts, read 25,584,853 times
Reputation: 24780
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post
I guess the teachers are lazy and overpaid.

Yeah...

Aren't they all? And you neglected to mention that college professors are dumb.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 02:05 PM
 
45,647 posts, read 27,275,817 times
Reputation: 23932
From the OP...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savoir Faire View Post
I guess the teachers are lazy and overpaid.
They just need to pay for their own retirement like all other private citizens. They are only asked to pay 5% of their retirement.

Or putting it another way - the unions are unhappy that the public may have to pay ONLY 95% of their retirement instead of 100%.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-22-2011, 02:05 PM
 
8,624 posts, read 9,098,848 times
Reputation: 2863
Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest

(CNSNews.com) - Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest.



Maybe these whining striking teachers will be fired and replaced with teachers who know how to teach.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top