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Old 01-23-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: SC
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Can we say tone deaf? Out of touch? Disconnected?

Obama to Push New Spending in State of the Union - WSJ.com





Your $1 TRILLION stimulus was supposed to do that, remember?
As soon as Americans WAKE UP and FINALLY FIGURE OUT THAT THE GOVERMENT CAN NOT CREATE JOBS -- ONLY THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAN, he wouldn't be able to get away with making such deceitful promises he KNOWS he could never deliver on. More government jobs cost us all more money in taxes. More private sector jobs SAVE us tax dollars!

The best thing government can do is take its grubby hands off the private sector; roll back regulations; repeal fees; taxes; permits. Then and ONLY then will we see the private sector-- especially small and medium sized businesses--- being able to hire people.
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Old 01-23-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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After decades of spending, I think it's really the only thing politicians know how to do.
CUTS is a 4 letter word never to be uttered in the halls of Congress.
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Old 01-23-2011, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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How dare the President devote money to rebuilding the infrastructure of America?
Wasn't that what the $1 Trillion failed stimulus was for? And then the second "jobs" bill?

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I'm curious...What would you expect McCain to have done at this point? What do you think is wrong (not what the R party says is wrong) with spending on infrastructure, education, and research?
He wouldn't have taken $1+ trillion out of the private sector to distribute in a long wish list of liberal pork barrel projects.

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I don't rage about anything. I prefer mature discourse to faux outrage.

I don't understand your answer. By keeping the tax rate on the richest American's inappropriately low the government doesn't receive revenue that it should. If the tax rates were at the same levels they were pre-Reagan, the government would be taking in a lot more revenue and the deficit and debt would both be less...

Yes, spending needs to be better managed. It's both a revenue side and spending problem.

You're not serious about deficit reduction and debt reduction unless you acknowledge that the post-Reagan era tax rates are too low.
Ah-ha. So you want tax rates to go back up to 70%? Yes, the government would be taking in more revenue, and continue to grow and grow and spend and spend and then one day 70% tax rate just wouldn't be enough to sustain it.

There is no revenue problem. We have a spending problem. If the government can't afford to pay for new entitlements and programs, they shouldn't be creating them, it's really that simple.
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Old 01-23-2011, 09:46 AM
 
Location: My little patch of Earth
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How dare the President devote money to rebuilding the infrastructure of America?
If only it truly went to that endeavor.

However, like his first excursion into financial altruism, it's doomed to be spent paying off political cronies, leftist organizations and bank/corporate fat cats.
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:20 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Ah-ha. So you want tax rates to go back up to 70%?
On all income earned above 2.5 million dollars, sounds about right. Please don't confuse this with tax rates for average working families.

I also feel that corporations should pay their fare share.

Why would you NOT support this? Why would anyone campaign so adamantly for interests not aligned only with the very, very wealthy class of which they are not a member?
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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On all income earned above 2.5 million dollars, sounds about right. Please don't confuse this with tax rates for average working families.

I also feel that corporations should pay their fare share.

Why would you NOT support this? Why would anyone campaign so adamantly for interests not aligned only with the very, very wealthy class of which they are not a member?
Tax hikes would be the death knell of the economy. You want to punish success with hikes on the wealthiest individuals, who drive the economy, the job creators.

Oh, our corporate tax rate is second highest in the WORLD.
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:36 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Tax hikes would be the death knell of the economy. You want to punish success with hikes on the wealthiest individuals, who drive the economy, the job creators.

Oh, our corporate tax rate is second highest in the WORLD.
That's funny because plenty of places have HIGHER taxes and better economies at the moment. We had a much better economy in years where taxes where much HIGHER. That 1950's America which the Tea Party seems to want back so badly had top marginal tax rates of 90%.

(Check out the article in the new issue of Inc. on socialist Norway if you'd like to see an example....)

Jobs are created by an incredibly complex and difficult to understand number of factors. (Which include business expansion, consumer demand, money supply, ,unionization (or lack of), government hiring, investment infrastructure projects and about 1000 other factors). Reducing the complexities of job creation to a convenient soundbite (although apparently easy to remember and repeat ad nauseaum-- regardless if its actually true) while politically convenient and expedient doesn't actually address the REAL problems with creating jobs.

Re: Corporate tax rates... True. Corporate tax rates are the second highest in the world. It's too bad that deductions and limitations for corporations are so onerous that highly profitable corporations don't pay any taxes at all... It's not about tax rate, it's about eliminating deductions and loopholes that corporations use to escape paying their taxes.
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