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Very good point well taken. Hate to say this truly i do, but most wars, are usually caused by and for the sake of a religion. I see nothing holy about any religion, that thinks it is perfectly acceptable to kill those that are in opposition of your idealogy.
Seems that most are missing the forest from the trees. Although, on the surface it appears to be religious in nature the current world conflicts are not. America and the western world are in conflict with the Arab and Islamic nations due to the fact that we are occupiers of their lands. They don't want us there and justifiably believe we have no business being in the middle east. If we pulled out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and the rest, there would be no conflict. Also it may seem religious in nature for the Arabs wanting to eliminate Israel but nothing could be further from the truth. The Arabs hate Israel because Israel took Palestine from the Palestinians based on a 3000 year old religious mandate. So if religion is to blame at all it could all go back to the Jews forcibly taking Palestine from the inhabitants based on the fact they were kicked out back in Roman times. Prior to the Jewish occupation of Palestine, there was no current conflict based on religious dogma.
Seems that most are missing the forest from the trees. Although, on the surface it appears to be religious in nature the current world conflicts are not. America and the western world are in conflict with the Arab and Islamic nations due to the fact that we are occupiers of their lands. They don't want us there and justifiably believe we have no business being in the middle east. If we pulled out of Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and the rest, there would be no conflict. Also it may seem religious in nature for the Arabs wanting to eliminate Israel but nothing could be further from the truth. The Arabs hate Israel because Israel took Palistine from the Palistinians based on a 3000 year old religious mandate. So if religion is to blame at all it could all go back to the Jews forcibly taking Palistine from the inhabitants based on the fact they were kicked out back in Roman times. Prior to the Jewish occupation of Palistine, there was no current conflict based on religious dogma.
Religion alone has seldom, if ever, been the root cause of any conflict. In most cases its just the marketing ploy to get the general public to fight for a rich mans gain.
The Arabs hate Israel because Israel took Palestine from the Palestinians based on a 3000 year old religious mandate. So if religion is to blame at all it could all go back to the Jews forcibly taking Palestine from the inhabitants based on the fact they were kicked out back in Roman times. Prior to the Jewish occupation of Palestine, there was no current conflict based on religious dogma.
It's a little bit of an overstatement to say there was no religious conflict, but you're absolutely right that the fundamental question is anti-colonial, not religious. The PLO was founded by secular pan-Arab socialists (not that the average Fox News viewer knows what that means).
After the blinders, our government has placed on world events, comes off, Will they finally admit there is a Holy War going on in this nation and around the world?
What has been going on for centuries, has finally made it's presents in the USA.
What are we as a nation, going to do about it.
A nation where it is acceptable to believe in anything you wish, has a direct conflict with a religion that believes if your not with us, you are to be eliminated.
Yes indeed. Let the holy war proceed. Protestants to one side, Catholics to the other. Now start shooting.
Religion alone has seldom, if ever, been the root cause of any conflict. In most cases its just the marketing ploy to get the general public to fight for a rich mans gain.
Religion is a great way to get people fired up for any cause.
Religion alone has seldom, if ever, been the root cause of any conflict. In most cases its just the marketing ploy to get the general public to fight for a rich mans gain.
This is true. We occupy the middle east based on manifest destiny. Not religious manifest destiny but business manifest destiny. Oil, and the control of same. England, France and Spain all tried to occupy and control the Americas. Everyone was expelled, eventually. Until the US learns the lessons of history and allows the people of other nations to live their lives as they wish we will be viewed as aggressors in the eyes of world public opinion. Religion is a tool used by manipulators to inflame the populace to do their bidding.
What version of the bible is this from? Or are you distorting the bible verses as they are because of shame for what they say?
Just in case you still are not clear about the message given in the bible, here are some more passages:
2 Chronicles 15:12-14
"They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their ancestors, with all their heart and soul. All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman. They took an oath to the LORD with loud acclamation, with shouting and with trumpets and horns."
Zechariah 13:3
"And if anyone still prophesies, their father and mother, to whom they were born, will say to them, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD’s name.’ Then their own parents will stab the one who prophesies."
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
" that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt,"
Seems damn clear to me!
For an atheist you seem to know a lot about the Bible.
Just curious, do Christians (including Catholics, Protestants, etc) believe things in the old testament don't count? Is it included in their Bible just for fun?
For an atheist you seem to know a lot about the Bible.
Just curious, do Christians (including Catholics, Protestants, etc) believe things in the old testament don't count? Is it included in their Bible just for fun?
You might be surprised to learn that most atheists know the Bible and other writings quite well. It's their knowledge that makes them atheists. Most of them , myself included, are born into a very religion-centric world. Most are raised by religious parents but through actual study and connecting the dots do they eventually see all religions as nothing more than a tool used by some to enslave the minds of the many.
Many true believers seem to have the notion that atheists have never been shown "the light". To the contrary, it's been shoved in our faces every single day.
In theory at least, the New Testament was supposed to supplant the Old and suggests abandoning the brutalities of the Old.
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